So, housing mafia instantly bought most of small houses...

through alts and now reselling them for 20m+ through PF. Shouldn't there be some rule one house per account or something? It's obviously this feature is abused, exploited and not working as intended.

"Housing Mafia".

Amazing, simply amazing. Best day ever in this forum xDDDD

To be fair i dont understand why we shouldn't be able to buy houses with our alts.

I would understand if we were able to share our houses with our alts from the same account, but thing is... We cant.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Housing is not a merchandise.

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If you don't like it, don't partake of it. Now that there's automatic reclamation, and more wards coming in 3.3, if people just calm their tits and wait, the player housing market should see a decrease in value making it less appealing to do this.

On the other hand, if people keep on buying despite the fact that there's other ways to get the homes with a little patience, welp.

At this point, complaining about house resellers is akin to complaining about people over charging for king cakes. Is it a dick move? Yup. Will it sort itself out in time assuming the player base acts in a half way intelligent manner? Yup.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Housing is not a merchandise.

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People like you are the reason that Donald Trump might become president...

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

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it's not set up in the game to be a traded merchandise at all.
Paying a guy to hope he leaves so that you can then purchase is just people being silly and greedy in a game where money no longer has much value at all

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

No I do not believe for a second that it was intended for housing to have a interplayer housing market. The game sells houses, now reclaims them for non use, npcs are intended to be the housing market not players. They need to implement something to stop player from selling plots to other players.

Maybe something that when a house is abandoned to market, from non use or player relenquishing it, the house doesn't go on the market right away, instead will go on the market after a randomly generated amount of time.

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How will that prevent people from selling it once its available ?

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

Right?

That'll be like me being jealous of crafters who make tons of gil while I complain about having 10k and don't craft lol...

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Full disclosure: I am totally jealous of those people, but just can not make myself craft things. So boring.

But I also don't complain about how much money they have on the forums so there's that. Just silently jealous.

Jealousy isn't the same as demanding they get punished for using the system as it's been currently implemented.

Are they reportable? If yes do so.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

it's not set up in the game to be a traded merchandise at all.
Paying a guy to hope he leaves so that you can then purchase is just people being silly and greedy in a game where money no longer has much value at all

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Neither are Marriage rings on the cash shop, but hell they sold nicely back in the day.

You are missing the point completely, and its anything but greed, call it roleplaying. I roleplay an skilled merchant who sees and capitalizes on the oportunities he sees inside the bounderies of the law, i play following the rules and i belive in a good handshake to seal deals.

And well, you are right about something, gil holds not much value at all, i belive that most rich players would agree with me that gil is more of a score than a resource, you really just want to see it go higher and higher for the sake of it, not for a particular, productive reason.

My personal goal is the first 999,999,999 retainer for next year. If selling houses to the people who wants one gets me closer to that, well, thats what ill be doing. A reality check: https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXIVhousingMarket

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Originally Posted by Nihility

it's not set up in the game to be a traded merchandise at all.
Paying a guy to hope he leaves so that you can then purchase is just people being silly and greedy in a game where money no longer has much value at all

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Oh so people finding a new way of making money are being greedy? I call them smart. Crafters overpricing their sh*t when most of the time it cost them nothing is what being greedy is.
People actually having to pay millions for the plot in the first place and then hoping they will get a buyer, aren't .

I think 1 house restricted to 1 character per server is fair. Why would you need a personal house on all your alts on the same server? Surely one is enough. I don't think housing is meant to be traded around - it's just an unfortunate loophole in the system (one that, admittedly, should've been obvious) that has created a weird market. This is why instance housing would've worked so much better. :V

Thats pretty clever

I have my own house but I do believe there should be a limit on account or per server but also making so alts can visit or be given housing right on the property. Have to admit this is something those with tons of gil were waiting for to buy up and flip for more profit. Hopefully with luck the expansions on housing will allow people to get their homes in the future

I'm sure its called a lot of things but its still greedy. Your basically making harder for others to obtain items by artificially making a shortage worse and then creating a situation where anyone who wants the property you have cant buy it from you but has to pay you just to leave so they can buy it normally. Your not even selling them the property.

It might be smart, it might be good planning. It might be Roleplaying. Its still greedy.

Sadly, they could make 50,000 wards and still not have enough houses due to people buying up multiples.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I'm sure its called a lot of things but its still greedy. Your basically making harder for others to obtain items by artificially making a shortage worse and then creating a situation where anyone who wants the property you have cant buy it from you but has to pay you just to leave so they can buy it normally. Your not even selling them the property.

It might be smart, it might be good planning. It might be Roleplaying. Its still greedy.

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Im part of a linkshell called the Virtue of Greed. Just on point.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Sadly, they could make 50,000 wards and still not have enough houses due to people buying up multiples.

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But doing that would devalue property, which means people wouldn't buy multiples just for resale.

economics. *ancient aliens hands*

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

through alts and now reselling them for 20m+ through PF. Shouldn't there be some rule one house per account or something? It's obviously this feature is abused, exploited and not working as intended.

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Rule is one house per character, can't mail anything to people not on your friendlist (alts), and can't sell/trade lots. People always fined loop holes. Best thing to do is not buy from the "mafia" and leave them stuck with an empty lot.

Stay frosty, more lots will open up as the days go on. I know a few people who logged in for 3.1 then re-quit after a week.

Ooooooorrr move you and your FC to a less populated server where housing is plentiful and cheap.

The #1 rule of real estate has always been location, location, location. That's why the same house in Georgia costs $100,000 while it'll set you back a million dollars in Fremont, CA.

SE really needs to offer people free transfers off Balmung and Gilgamesh at this point.

We could blame the players that buy more houses on one account, but is it realy their fault? SE added this feature in a way that allows players to buy more then one house. I agree that everyone should get the chance to get a house, but SE disagrees.

Do not dislike the players for buying multiple houses, aim your worries towards Yoshi-P and the other developers.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Why would you need a personal house on all your alts on the same server?

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more gardening, more airships, more profit

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

more gardening, more airships, more profit

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Translation : Money, Money, Money !

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

more gardening, more airships, more profit

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That's just greed, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If this is going to be an issue every time new houses pop up, they should just make it so that if you buy a house you cant relinquish it for 45 or make it so the only way to get rid of it is through demolishing it after 45 days (or through transfer of leadership if its an FC house.) Buying a house shouldn't be some willy-nilly purchase a player makes lightly.

Better yet, just make Mog Rooms so everyone can have a place to call home and fill it with their own stuff and not through FC's where they can be potentially be locked from their rooms by poor FC-master leadership.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

That's just greed, though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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and greed is no reason?

The new plots that are going to be released in Ishigard will also be bought by rich players with their alts, that is the nature of the game. Housing is a feature that is damaged in the core. I do not blame players for buying alot of houses, there are benefits to owning more then one house and if I had the gil, I would also have done the same as them. SE f*cked up with the way they added housing in this game and personaly I am suprised how this idea even left the drawing table. Surely even SE would have thought that this would prevent players from buying a house?

Anyway, I can not wait till 3.2/3.3 gets released so we can see more threads where 1 player used alts to buy even more houses in Ishigard.

I called this a whole ago. The whole reclamation thing is a drop in the bucket. The demand is ridiculous and the supply is scarce, it instantly becomes an opportunists market. The housing market promotes this behavior without any player restrictions and by having no mechanisms to discourage flipping (cooldown timers between relinquishment and market listing.).

The relinquishment should have been handled separately from the market listing as opposed to the houses directly dropping into the market.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

and greed is no reason?

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I mean it's certainly a reason. Whether it's a good reason or not is another thing entirely.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

and greed is no reason?

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Greed is a SIN !

In my opinion they should have waited until the ward expansion and ishgard implementation to help ease the demand from that area upon release. But what's done is done now.

I had a house before this but I just think the way they are handling it that it's really turning the player base against each other and it's evident across the forums, reddit, and even Facebook. This whole thing wasn't very well planned but I guess realistically the entire housing debacle wasn't very well planned to begin with so it's to be expected. There are many ways to fix the issue and I guess we will just have to see how it goes from here.

As far as the moral argument, someone who knowingly exploits a faulty system is most definitely susceptible to the karma of such a decision.

Personally it's hard for me to distinguish between those who would create a problem and those who would perpetuate it knowingly. But at the moment I feel the focus should be put towards square to implement restrictions towards housing per account. At most, no one should be able to own more than an FC house and personal house. Other than that specific situation it should only be one each IMO.

Reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULhkipzltU#t=0m59s

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Originally Posted by alex4815162342

Greed is a SIN !

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Just bought mine for 3.4 mil. Just because.

3.4m is cheap as hell.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

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No, it's

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Originally Posted by Eul

No, it's

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nty ban is 10000000000x cooler than him.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Sadly, they could make 50,000 wards and still not have enough houses due to people buying up multiples.

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There is an FC on Ultros that has about 6 houses in the 1 ward. Makes me mad each time i see it.