Don't even know where to begin with the crafting tokens for relic.

I see a lot of guides on getting the unidentified items for the relic quest, but I haven't seen anything on getting started with the crafting tokens.

Am I going to be forced to pick up a gathering or crafting class if I want to get the 16 crafting tokens in a timely matter? I was never someone who could make or keep a lot of money on a MMO. Hell, the most gil I ever had was a bit over 300k. I don't have any crafting nor gathering class leveled (mostly because leveling them tends to bore me quickly) and I have no idea where to even get started with this. I can easily see a plan I can follow for every part of the quest except for the tokens. Is my only option to suck it up and force myself to level a gathering or crafting class to make money?

Also before anyone says if I don't like the relic quest don't do it, just don't. As a Drk, the weapon is BiS for me and in my opinion, that's reason enough for it to be mandatory for me.

I made all my money doing roulettes as a tank. I had over 12 mil before the relic patch dropped.

If you're not big on making money, then yes. The easiest way to get the crafted tokens is to level up a gathering class and go get the materials yourself from the diadem and have people make the tokens for you. It's really not that hard you just spam leves and do the GC turn-ins every day.

If you're bored, turn on some netflix while you burn through your leves.

The materials aren't that bad to get according to a few people I know. The only bad part is that you need a specialist crafter. I hate to seem like that person but you have no friends or FC mates with 60 Crafting/Gathering?

Not to be rude, but it's kind of obvious isn't it?

Google the materials and ask someone to craft them for you if you can't make them yourself.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I made all my money doing roulettes as a tank. I had over 12 mil before the relic patch dropped.

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And how long did that take to build up?

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

If you're not big on making money, then yes. The easiest way to get the crafted tokens is to level up a gathering class and go get the materials yourself from the diadem and have people make the tokens for you. It's really not that hard you just spam leves and do the GC turn-ins every day.

If you're bored, turn on some netflix while you burn through your leves.

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Issue (joke): I don't have netflix.

Which gathering class would you recommend to start with then? My FC suggested I take up fishing which I tried doing for a while before getting bored.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

The materials aren't that bad to get according to a few people I know. The only bad part is that you need a specialist crafter. I hate to seem like that person but you have no friends or FC mates with 60 Crafting/Gathering?

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I have friends and FC mates with the classes, hell I have friends who could probably buy me the mats for every single class in the game and still have plenty of money leftover, but I don't want to impose on them. I don't mind asking for them to craft me stuff, however, I make it a point to supply all of the materials myself or an equivalent amount of gil (generally when the items are sold in large stacks that I can't exactly afford but can afford the singular amounts that I need). I make it a point to not overly rely on them. Normally I am able to make do, but this time the total cost for all 16 HQ items are a bit high for someone like me so I am trying to figure out what are my options because right now, I don't know where to even begin.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Not to be rude, but it's kind of obvious isn't it?

Google the materials and ask someone to craft them for you if you can't make them yourself.

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Except I don't have the money to even buy all the materials for the tokens. I am pretty sure I mentioned that in my original post.

Start gathering. Also, I wouldn't worry about the crafting parts till you get all the tokens.
Why?
Prices are gonna plummet in like, a month, so unless you're literally grinding everything out to get that weapon RIGHT NOW then you can wait on them.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Start gathering. Also, I wouldn't worry about the crafting parts till you get all the tokens.
Why?
Prices are gonna plummet in like, a month, so unless you're literally grinding everything out to get that weapon RIGHT NOW then you can wait on them.

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Unfortunately, I feel that even after a price plummet, I am still going to be too poor to afford them. (I'm a dirty peasant OTL.)

But yeah, I am trying to get it as quickly as I can though I feel like I won't make it in time before 3.2 as I haven't really touched the beast tribe quests. I really would like to get it done before the end of January.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

Except I don't have the money to even buy all the materials for the tokens. I am pretty sure I mentioned that in my original post.

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So farm them....?

Stil not seeing the problem here. Getting your own mats is free. Again, I thought this was obvious. >.>

Now, if what you mean is you have literally never touched botanist or miner, well get started on it. They are good to have if you want to have gil, you can even sell all the stuff you gather while leveling and make a fortune.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

So farm them....?

Stil not seeing the problem here. Getting your own mats is free. Again, I thought this was obvious. >.>

Now, if what you mean is you have literally never touched botanist or miner, well get started on it. They are good to have if you want to have gil, you can even sell all the stuff you gather while leveling and make a fortune.

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I am more wondering if it would it be faster to just level one gathering class and sell things to make money and buy the materials or faster to level each gathering class to farm all of the materials. I am trying to figure out how to do this as quickly as I can. I rather not do this over a long period of time.

Also, I thought it would be obvious from looking at my lodestone profile that I am a dirty peasant who has never touched mining or botanist OTL.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

I am more wondering if it would it be faster to just level one gathering class and sell things to make money and buy the materials or faster to level each gathering class to farm all of the materials.

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Look up the mats and assess the prices on your server.

If you need more than the initial HQ Chimera gathering gear (will cost you close a million gil even w/o melds) to gather the items, you are either time gated by the red scripts (forget end of January lol) or you need to spend A LOT MORE MILLIONS to buy crafted DoL gear.

Bottom line: waiting for the items to come down in price is probably your cheapest way out in terms of both: gil and playtime invested.

Just to make this crystal clear: this is NOT World of Warcraft. You do NOT just level up a gatherer and go on happy gathering excursions. They need GEAR and certain STATS in order to be able to collect the items (let alone get them in HQ), so no matter how you slice it you are looking at a seven figure initial investment at the least. More if you want to push through quicker.

Wait for the prices to come down, you don't need them until you've acquired all Unidentified items anyway. Prices are steadily coming down on most servers, as the items are actually rather easy to craft for the most part, and the materials also are fairly common.

Next month they'll be worthless, don't worry. Just get your 80 tokens.

But if you want a fast way to get gil, level your DoW retainers, sell deepeye tears and chimera manes. They're in huge demand because almost everyone who is doing red scrips needs a nearly a full stack per week.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Look up the mats and assess the prices on your server.

If you need more than the initial HQ Chimera gathering gear (will cost you close a million gil even w/o melds) to gather the items, you are either time gated by the red scripts (forget end of January lol) or you need to spend A LOT MORE MILLIONS to buy crafted DoL gear.

Bottom line: waiting for the items to come down in price is probably your cheapest way out in terms of both: gil and playtime invested.

Just to make this crystal clear: this is NOT World of Warcraft. You do NOT just level up a gatherer and go on happy gathering excursions. They need GEAR and certain STATS in order to be able to collect the items (let alone get them in HQ), so no matter how you slice it you are looking at a seven figure initial investment at the least. More if you want to push through quicker.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

Wait for the prices to come down, you don't need them until you've acquired all Unidentified items anyway. Prices are steadily coming down on most servers, as the items are actually rather easy to craft for the most part, and the materials also are fairly common.

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I rather get the weapon sooner than later though. I would like to be able to use it before it becomes obsolete. So I rather not wait for months. At the very latest, I want to have it in time for 3.2. Also, I would probably not look into directly acquiring the materials but rather using the gathering class to make the money to buy the materials themselves since that seems like a faster alternative to directly gathering the materials, especially if I have to spend millions to get the equipment needed. I wonder if I should do something about my general aversion to non-combat stuff in MMOs... I may need to find a way to force myself to like it.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

I may need to find a way to force myself to like it.

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Crafting in this game is probably one of the most rewarding things you can do in this game, and the payoff is directly related to the amount of effort put in (unlike battle classes where you can put in little to no effort and still reach the item level cap). It's a delayed sense of gratification, but once you get there you really feel like your effort was worth it (unlike most other things in this game). So I guess that feeling of accomplishment is what makes it enjoyable for me. You feel like you're part of an exclusive club that not everyone can join (unless they put in the work).

You can become a millionaire very easily if you just research the markets a little bit and put in the work to level up crafters.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Crafting in this game is probably one of the most rewarding things you can do in this game, and the payoff is directly related to the amount of effort put in (unlike battle classes where you can put in little to no effort and still reach the item level cap). It's a delayed sense of gratification, but once you get there you really feel like your effort was worth it (unlike most other things in this game). So I guess that feeling of accomplishment is what makes it enjoyable for me. You feel like you're part of an exclusive club that not everyone can join (unless they put in the work).

You can become a millionaire very easily if you just research the markets a little bit and put in the work to level up crafters.

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I feel like people pay too much attention to item level cap as disciples of war and magic. Yeah there are plenty of ways to hit the cap, but the question then becomes, are you optimizing your build? Are you hitting the accuracy caps? If so, are you going over the accuracy cap thus having wasted points? Are you getting the secondary stats that optimize your damage? Etc. If I just wanted to hit the item level cap, I would be spending my time trying to find a static to get through Alexander Savage, which I believe I would enjoy more, but since my BiS weapon is the relic weapon I (in my personal opinion for myself) have to do that instead.

Also, I don't care too much about being an exclusive club. I honestly, just find it difficult to enjoy gathering and crafting. I keep trying to force myself to enjoy it, but I have a hard time doing so.

Personally I used to hate gathering (I still don't like crafting).

But after I got my Zeta weapon and had about a month and a half to kill until HW, I decided "you know what, I have time I'm going to get my miner Lucis". Now before they super nerfed the Lucis tools, that was pretty much the fastest way to get to hate yourself. But I did it anyway. Along the way I made tons of money (and promptly spent it on gathering tools and gear). I barely did any combat that last stretch, only doing stuff if friends asked me to. Everything else was geared towards gathering. I found out a lot of stuff:
-fishing is very relaxing
-selling ore to the crafters makes me ton of money
-botany sucks no matter what because who cares about plants (joking sorta)

I'm not trying to say "take a month off to level your gathering" (it doesn't take a month anyway but the point is there). I am saying though, what do you NOT like about crafting/gathering? Maybe if you try to look at it a different way, you may turn it into an activity you like. Like for me, gathering is MONEY and RELAXATION (one button fishing ftw). Even after maxing out my Goldsmith I can see why my crafting friends really like to do it. I was trying my hand out at some higher level crafts (and remember I'm not an omnicrafter so I don't have all the crossclass skills). It's insanely challenging if you haven't been crafting for 2+ years like some people. I'd probably like it more if no HQ =/= thousands of gil lost. But thinking up "which crafting rotation is the best for me?" is actually a bit fun.
Not fun enough to make me a full time crafter, but it's there.

/pet

As a crafter / gathere i would say, u dont need a lot of money for this. if u got a friend that can gather, he can pick up some stuff for u and sell ur cheaper . and u can find a crafter that does not charge rediclus pricing. i am a crafter who likes to make free stuff for his fc memebers. but sadly I can't craft all of them because of specialist. between me and my crafting friends we can make most of the items.

the prices will surly drop for them over time anyway.

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Originally Posted by Yahallo

I wonder if I should do something about my general aversion to non-combat stuff in MMOs... I may need to find a way to force myself to like it.

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Dude, it's a GAME. You character will be perfectily fine w/o a 210 weapon that carries suboptimal secondary stats for many classes (Not sure about DRK though) anyway.

If you're FORCING yourself to do something in a videogame... you're clearly doing it wrong.

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I honestly, just find it difficult to enjoy gathering and crafting. I keep trying to force myself to enjoy it, but I have a hard time doing so.

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It is difficult to enjoy. Esp gathering... such a snoozefest and ultimately all up to RNG.

Don't get me wrong, using the crafting skills gaming the RNG based procs and HQing an item can feel rewarding and fun.I esp like it when I clothe my kitty in complete selfmade HQ gear.

It's just that there is so much grind and timesinks attached to it, you basically have to no-life crafting if you want to get anywhere quickly.
(RMT would be the other option but you know what they say about the size of a cheaters private parts... ;) )

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

I am saying though, what do you NOT like about crafting/gathering?

Like for me, gathering is MONEY and RELAXATION (one button fishing ftw).

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What I don't like:
-Time limited Nodes. Be there within 5 minutes every half hour or bust
-Super retarded slow SP reg
-Can't change your mind mid way and interrupt the gathering -> node vanishes
-Ultimately no way of guaranteed HQ items in bulk (intended to keep them somewhat scarce I know, just so frustrating when you need them in bulk). All up to that 45/55% chance....

Yes a 1 button keyboard macro is DEFINITELY needed for extended farming.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Personally I used to hate gathering (I still don't like crafting).

But after I got my Zeta weapon and had about a month and a half to kill until HW, I decided "you know what, I have time I'm going to get my miner Lucis". Now before they super nerfed the Lucis tools, that was pretty much the fastest way to get to hate yourself. But I did it anyway. Along the way I made tons of money (and promptly spent it on gathering tools and gear). I barely did any combat that last stretch, only doing stuff if friends asked me to. Everything else was geared towards gathering. I found out a lot of stuff:
-fishing is very relaxing
-selling ore to the crafters makes me ton of money
-botany sucks no matter what because who cares about plants (joking sorta)

I'm not trying to say "take a month off to level your gathering" (it doesn't take a month anyway but the point is there). I am saying though, what do you NOT like about crafting/gathering? Maybe if you try to look at it a different way, you may turn it into an activity you like. Like for me, gathering is MONEY and RELAXATION (one button fishing ftw). Even after maxing out my Goldsmith I can see why my crafting friends really like to do it. I was trying my hand out at some higher level crafts (and remember I'm not an omnicrafter so I don't have all the crossclass skills). It's insanely challenging if you haven't been crafting for 2+ years like some people. I'd probably like it more if no HQ =/= thousands of gil lost. But thinking up "which crafting rotation is the best for me?" is actually a bit fun.
Not fun enough to make me a full time crafter, but it's there.

/pet

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It ends up feeling like a job to me. I don't really play a game for relaxation, but for excitement. In the end, I end up trying to not fall asleep. I guess, I may have to end up treating it as a job to force myself; pretend that I will get fired if I don't do it on time.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Dude, it's a GAME. You character will be perfectily fine w/o a 210 weapon that carries suboptimal secondary stats for many classes (Not sure about DRK though) anyway.

If you're FORCING yourself to do something in a videogame... you're clearly doing it wrong.

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Nothung is Best in Slot for Dark Knight; out of all the current available weapons, it is the most optimal Dark Knight weapon. Even if I hate the process, I need to get it; it is the kind of gamer I am. If I can get it and it is optimal, I need to get it. If I can't get it, then I need to change myself so I can get it. I don't hold anyone but myself to this ideal. I don't care if it is wrong, I am still doing it. I don't care if people call me crazy, stupid, etc. I don't care if they laugh at me for thinking like that, I am adamant about following this mindset I made for myself.

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Originally Posted by starLivitation

As a crafter / gathere i would say, u dont need a lot of money for this. if u got a friend that can gather, he can pick up some stuff for u and sell ur cheaper . and u can find a crafter that does not charge rediclus pricing. i am a crafter who likes to make free stuff for his fc memebers. but sadly I can't craft all of them because of specialist. between me and my crafting friends we can make most of the items.

the prices will surly drop for them over time anyway.

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I will always pay market price for anything my friends give me, even if they try to just give it to me. It is just how I do things.

I grinded out on a tank and I don't even have 2million on him.

Apparently she has done 2200 dungeons.