What is the be Healer?

I\\\\'m training healer classes, so I wanna know what you think. What is the best healer in the game right now.

Scholar*

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* Not even kidding

As of 3.1, SCH hands down. Can heal, buff, debuff, mitigate, DPS...it's the perfect jack-of-all-trades job.

Depends on playstyle and your objectives.

Scholar also has the highest skill cap to play it WELL.

WHM is probably the strongest "pure" healer.

The best healer is WHM.

The best DPS-healer combo is SCH.

The best buffer-healer combo is AST.

A true healer would have all three leveled and geared.

It comes down to playstyle:
If you want strong heals and HoTs, go WHM
If you want to deal with damage mitigation and also want to do the most DPS a healer can, SCH
If you want speed, mobility, and buffs, go AST

It depends, under what circumstances are you going to be healing? I prefer sch overall but tend to play it mostly premades, when I know the tank or other healer. For the DF I mostly play whm, since it gives me more abilities to compensate for mistakes.

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The class that is "best" is determined by your own comfort and ability with each role.

The best one is the one you like most.

All depends on your style I have all 3 to 60 I tend to alternate between 2 the most.AST and WHM. SCH as sed be4 is a Jack of all trade. The WHM is pure healing power. As a WHM u are all about heals and HoTs. MOST people say that SCH is the best in dps. But a WHM dps is nothing to shrug off. AST is the weaker dps off both but with the buffs is not even something that is a impact.JUST make sure u learn and practice stance dancing. The only macro I use on healers are the virus,.eye for an eye, and the cleric stance macro witch will change your hotbar wen u switch on and off

It's hard to say what the "best" of anything is because you never want to stack classes due to synergies and buffs/debuffs, but I can tell you what the most irreplaceable healer is: SCH. Like DRG and WAR, SCH is the one healer you really can't go without unless you like gimping yourself.

- Ridiculous mitigation capabilities. Not just Succor and Soil, some raidwide mechanics are now and in the future are literally tuned around having Deployment Tactics Adlo IMO when not in max iLVL gear.
- Not having to stop DPS to keep up their healing. Eos or Selene, the fairy is the thing that takes core SCH from mediocre to utterly ridiculous; Embrace is basically a super powered Regen that not only is free and always happening, and you don't even have to command it to do so (though most top SCHs do since it won't heal if everyone's above 80% HP or so). Eos is a mini-WHM in healing capabilities, Selene buffs the group constantly without RNG like AST and thus it's easier to plan what a DPS check's requirements are and how to deal with them.
- Virtually infinite MP unless you just have to heal a crazy amount, which means either poor play from one/both of the healers. This nearly limitless MP pool means you will rarely have both healers OoM, and when it comes to raising players, SCH won't get hurt too badly.
- Super-Virus. Due to how Anti-Body works, you basically have one Virus every 60s, and usually there's little reason to Virus every 60s in the first place, so if you're gonna Virus, SCH's the guy to do it. While we only really saw one fight this tier make Super-Virus ridiculously strong, it sure is strong at what it does, and A1 and A4 also benefit from the tank killers getting Super-Virused (Virus won't work). To go without a SCH means you are virtually required to bring a SMN on the fights you are appropriately geared for and the mechanics are tuned around possibly getting Super-Virused, like Cascade, Nerve Gas, Gigaflare, etc etc etc.
- Good CD on E4E too. E4E is fantastic on the fights it works; woe is the party that neglects good E4E upkeep. Hopefully A5-8 will have a universal use for E4E beyond hitting adds.
- Their emergency heals, which are often what a SCH will be there for beyond planned big damage healing spots, are top notch. Even though WHM is no slouch with Benediction and Assize and Tetra, and Essential breaks it down on AST, you simply can't mess with Indom's 30s CD 400 potency ridiculousness, nor the power of as many 600 potency Lustrates as you have stacks for.
- While SCH's DPS isn't quite as great as a WHM's in raw strength (about 90-95% as strong in raw damage), their nearly infinite MP, lack of having to drop Cleric Stance to get off the heals they need to do in a majority of situations, and the sheer power/cheapness/speed of Bane makes them often do the most DPS of the three healers in the sustained, 3 to 13 minute slugfest we call raids.

All these things above make it so SCH is the healer you simply can't go without. You need this class on backup for if/when shit hits the fan and for general, vital shielding (specifically raid wide mechanics), and you want this guy as a semi-5th DPS because he's going to spend most of him time hitting things and making everyone's life easier with faster phases and pushes. SCH pairs well with a HoT class who will primarily take care of the party and tanks with HoTs, while the main healer itself also DPSes. That aside, the only other shielding alternative, Nocturnal AST, is woefully lacking compared to these tools, and while Diurnal AST can ghetto take care of the party's mitigation needs with Collective and Disable, it is still vastly inferior to a SCH who can Soil, Fey Covenant, and Deployed Adlo if needed. In fact, I feel like SCH's abilities have and will virtually force the devs to tune raids, and raid damage, around that level of possible mitigation. When you tune around that level, SCH is mandatory, since nothing can replace it.

In the broadest sense? I would have to agree with Lyrica on SCH.

They are pretty much guaranteed a spot in end game raids right now, and they bring so much more in terms of mitigation and DPS. That being said, they are also my least favourite of the healers to play. I find them booooring. They also have the highest skill ceiling.

Scholar is OP and mandatory in all serious 8 man groups.

They're all good for different reasons.
SCH mains just need to get off their high-horses a bit.

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

They're all good for different reasons.
SCH mains just need to get off their high-horses a bit.

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As far as I can tell none of the people who said SCH is the best actually main SCH. They were just stating the obvious. WHM and AST are interchangeable in end game raids while SCH takes up the other slot. While they are all good for different reasons, SCH is the best (even if minimally) overall.

As others have stated, it really depends on the player and what you enjoy doing the most.

I main AST and mained WHM, but I do not have SCH to 60. This is because I don't like the idea of managing a pet or relying on a pet to help me do my job; I like to be in control of something that could make or break the party. I know, your pet is within your control, but the idea just doesn't sit well with me.

I use WHM for "pure" heals and good DPS output. I feel safe using it because its heals are so potent, so it's some peace of mind when I don't know who my co-healer will be. It also allows me to micro-manage things and switch to Cleric Stance to DPS. With AST, I micro-manage less and am constantly healing/buffing/shuffling through cards/DPS, all in turn.

So if you don't like automatically switching to a DPS when not healing and are okay with trying to manipulate RNG, I would say go AST. If you're okay with only switching between healing and DPSing, go WHM or SCH. WHM is more reactive healing while SCH is more proactive, and I prefer the former. (I also don't like going into Nocturnal Sect as AST because it is considered to be the "SCH" stance.)

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

As far as I can tell none of the people who said SCH is the best actually main SCH. They were just stating the obvious. WHM and AST are interchangeable in end game raids while SCH takes up the other slot. While they are all good for different reasons, SCH is the best (even if minimally) overall.

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SCH has the slot for endgame raiding sinply because it's currently the only healing job that branches from a DPS class. There's absolutely no question when it comes to that. However, ask a SCH to main heal a fight like A3S and you'll watch them struggle. From a pure healing perspective, SCH has the short stick simply because they rely on cooldowns and stack management to catch up to a healing potency both WHM and AST have in their GCD. If you're going to use raids as examples, you may want to say that SCH is the best off-healer and it's mandatory because the current meta/fight design favors having an off-healer in the party instead of having two main healers or simply a solo healer. Change the way fights are designed and you'll see SCHs vanishing from end game content; in fact, by adding fights that require only one healer you'll basically see WHMs in learning parties and ASTs in farm parties. The OP was asking about healing and didn't specify any particular context.

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

They're all good for different reasons.
SCH mains just need to get off their high-horses a bit.

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High horse? Hardly. For starters, I'm on the main healer seat for 90% (if not more) of the activity I do with my FC. Meaning I'm usually on White mage or Astrologian and rarely on Scholar. I suppose this doesn't define me as a main Scholar.

As for why Scholars are "the best" right now is quite simple: Scholars simply makes everything more forgiving. Any content can be done with any healer combination, but bringing a Scholar makes things easier for the entire group. It eases up the HP check requirement or allows groups to push for more damage. In 2.X Scholars had this severe weakness for AoE healing, but this has been somewhat addressed as of 3.0. They do not have the ability to continuously heal the group for that much, however. But the addition of Emergency Tactics and Indomitability is definitely a good addition to their healing kit. The only real issue for this particular area of expertise would be the terrible MP/recovery ratio of their AoE healing capacity.

Does this make the other healers sub-optimal or a inferior pick? Well, no. Scholars have a pretty bad heal/mp ratio on single target or is very GCD inefficient. The basic healing spell is the same as White Mage's, but Adloquium is by far the most expensive spell. Obviously, you don't spam Adloquium to top someone off as with Cure II or Benefic II. Thus this makes their single target healing GCD inefficient. You could argue that the fairy's there to help buffer up the GCD inefficiency. But if that fairy's there for you, it's also there for the other healer.

So why not bring two Scholars if "they're the best"? Simply because the scholar-scholar synergy is terrible compared to whm/sch or ast/sch. I mentioned before that any job combination can be done for any content. But depending on the combination the gear check will be relatively high, compared to White Mage or Astrologian with a Scholar. Not convinced? Go into King Thordan EX with two White Mages with entry requirement equipment and see if your group can survive Ultimate End.

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Read the post above yours, thxbai.

There's only one rotation for healing:

Regen -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy...shit I'm out of mp... hope that Regen keeps the tank alive...

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Originally Posted by Naylia

There's only one rotation for healing:

Regen -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy -> Holy...shit I'm out of mp... hope that Regen keeps the tank alive...

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You forgot presence of mind.

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

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Read the post above yours, thxbai.

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TataRazzino post had minor things I didn't care to respond about. As it's not entirely wrong, but not entirely correct either. Your post, however, lacks proper elaborate explanation of any kind aside from "getting off high horses". Which gives off a vibe of certain degree of saltiness. But to humor you, I'll share my thoughts about TataRazzino's post right here - Nothing against you TataRazzino, but TheWaywardwind has no own opinion to quote on right now.

Scholars are pretty much guaranteed a spot for endgame content. However, not because they're branching off a DPS class. But for their entire kit. Scholars may struggle in the main healer seat in A3S due to that kit, but it doesn't mean it's impossible. Because their single target healing is GCD inefficient doesn't mean it prevents them from doing so. This inefficiency is balanced off with Aetherflow abilities. But as this is tied to 3 abilities/minute, this makes them resource restricted aside from MP. Does this mean Scholars are capable of everything? Yes, it does. But so are every other healing jobs.
Any healing job can heal (duh)
Any healing job has the ability to AoE heal
Any healing job has access to different forms of mitigation
Any healing job can deal damage
However, not every healing job can buff the group

But not every job is equal in these departments. You could call them into (sub-)optimal choices for certain needs for certain encounters.

Nearly every content requires two healers right now and any content that can be accessed through duty finder is designed - Or should be, at least - for any healing job combination. If it wasn't, it would have specified particular slots for certain jobs. Not just for healers, mind you. But Scholars can effectively ease up the HP check requirements for contents and, to a lesser extend, so can Astrologians. So again, if you're not convinced, go into Thordan EX at entry requirements with two White Mages.
But there are two sides of the coin in this story. If the meta would change that removes one healer, that would mean the total healing capacity would be lowered to an extend any healer can manage. You could say White Mages would be out of a job instead. They possess no tools to buff up the total group contribution, after all. Or in context of previous paragraph: White Mage would become a sub-optimal pick.

Lastly, the OP never specified the act of healing itself:

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I\\\\'m training healer classes, so I wanna know what you think. What is the best healer in the game right now.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

SCH main/solohealing.

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A SCH can soloheal anything an AST/WHM can with the same level of efficiency, if not even more. Currently, a SCH's burst and sustained aoe healing kit is enough to heal through any raidwide damage this game can dish out. With good GCD management, a well played SCH has the tools to soloheal while adding more DPS and being able to recover from mistakes. In certain situations, a WHM/AST simply cannot soloheal certain fights without some degree of catering in the form of bringing a SMN for virus+rezzes, a PLD for divine veil or even using tank LB in the place of raidwide mitigation (a la Thordan Ex). A SCH can soloheal without being catered to because its biggest weakness (extended aoe healing) is a non factor in this game's encounter design.

TL;DR SCH is obscenely broken.

Sch is only healer that not run out mana while doing dps.

I never said it was impossible for a SCH to solo heal fights. I said it's harder, as it should be. SCH is far from broken and people overestimate their toolkit. They're the only job built to off-heal optimally and are also the only job to have bad solo healing capabilities. Their cooldowns and stacks barely make up for things that the other two healers have built in their GCDs in the first place. So, no, SCHs are not overpowered nor required; they're widely used because they add sustained DPS and that's it. Change fights design a little bit (which SE will for Alexander 2, since a lot of people are leaving the game because Alexander 1) and you'll see SCHs losing their fixed spot. One example: one indomitability + one ET Succor adds a total of 700 potency in heal. WHM alone can reach that with Medica II, and adding anything beyond that will simply crush SCH's numbers anytime of the day. "Oh, but there's Eos!" At the moment, the potency for the fairy's skills doens't scale in the same way the SCH's potency does and you'll get less than 500 potency from Whispering Dawn in AoEs, which Asylum can cover easily. "Oh, but I can Rouse it and I can use Fey Illumination!" Yes, you can burn two more cooldowns (apart from the two you already burned to get your Succor to not shield and your Indomitability (which also consumed one stack, lowering the amount of Lustrates you can do in that minute) to match what a WHM could do with one spell + one skill. Add Divine Seal to the equation, and SCH will be destroyed healingwise. The extra GCDs and cooldowns WHM didn't use can be spent in Cleric Stance to add some burst DPS. I won't even discuss AST, because I made my point. If you're a good SCH and feel like you can rule the world, just know that skilled players use the other two healers as well and we can do things with one key press while you must use four our five to hope you catch up.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

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Isn't this a bit... much in reply to my post? >.>

It doesn't matter if SCH's have a spot in an end game group because they come from a DPS job, the fact is is that they have one. They are also needed because of their shields, which AST can NEVER match and their buffs. Which, minimally, makes them "better" than the other two healers. While they can't do everything as good as the other two, they are still at the top of the tier. Again, even though it is only minimal.

And, yeah, the OP didn't ask for specifics. So there is no reason to give specifics.

And to restate: SCHs are only minimally better.

Raw healing output: WHM
Mitigation: SCH
Raid utility: AST

In a raid setting, I would choose SCH for preemptive healing. In my experience, when raids wipe to damage in this game it's more often because it's high damage they weren't prepared for rather than high damage they simply couldn't heal through. It's safer for the raid to take 50% damage and be topped off in 2-3 globals, than to take 75% damage and be topped off in the same amount of time.

There are other reasons like minimal overhealing and the costless casters that are fairies, but that's the main one. There's also the fact that they have an absurd amount of sustained DPS for a healer, by far the highest of the three.

I would take an AST or WHM for a fight with a lot of sustained incoming damage, with preference on the AST for extra raid dps via cards. If you're really serious about healing, level all 3 and choose based on the fight.

In an instance setting, just yolo and pick whichever you enjoy the most.

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Isn't this a bit... much in reply to my post? >.>

It doesn't matter if SCH's have a spot in an end game group because they come from a DPS job, the fact is is that they have one. They are also needed because of their shields, which AST can NEVER match and their buffs. Which, minimally, makes them "better" than the other two healers. While they can't do everything as good as the other two, they are still at the top of the tier. Again, even though it is only minimal.

And, yeah, the OP didn't ask for specifics. So there is no reason to give specifics.

And to restate: SCHs are only minimally better.

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SCH's deployed shields weren't needed in A1S and A2S even at launch. I know because I cleared those fights with a WHM partner running AST in Diurnal before ilvl was inflated.

For A3S, the mechanic that supposedly requires shielding is Cascade, and you can't deploy Adlo for every single Cascade in A3S, so if this kind of shielding was needed the fight would be unbeatable. The only shielding you can keep up for all Cascades is Succor and the amount of shielding provided by Succor is slightly inferior to what is provided by Aspected Helios (by 7 potency, I know, but since we decided to split hairs in here, I'll give you that).

I can't vouch for A4S, but since there have been clears with Noct. AST instead of SCH, it's pretty much a given that Deployed Adlo is not required in there.

Deployed shields aren't needed in Thordan as well, since I cleared that fight with WHM/Noct. AST.

Also, a Deployed Shield is not going to save a fight going south unless you expect a Crit Adlo, which is RNG. If that was needed, fights would be unbeatable and no one in their right mind brings a SCH expecting crit Adlos. SCHs are used for their sustained DPS, NOT for their healing capabilities. A 300 potency shield (that's the value you have to expect from a Deployed Adlo) is not that different from a Noct. Aspected Helios enhanced by Synastry: 165+20%=198, and a 102 difference is less than 1K HP; if your party is wiping because of that, you have bigger problems, too big for shields to handle.

Being needed is different than being helpful, never forget that.

And before someone argues that it's just a semantic difference, I'd like to point out that the main issue around SCH is that, to clear Savage as fast as the world first group cleared, you absolutely needed a high amount of healer DPS to meet the check. They couldn't clear A3S before week 3, when they got their Eso weapons, and it took a lot of practice for them to finish A4S (I believe it was cleared a week later, if I'm not mistaken). DPS checks are not to be overlooked; SCHs were the only healer capable of sustaining DPS while healing, mostly because of their MP management skill, which is the same as SMN since it's built in the ACN class. That's why, until recently, WHM and AST couldn't do the trick: it was mathematically impossible, according to the pro groups, to meet the DPS checks without a SCH. Now, since ilvl is inflated, not only that amount of sustained healer DPS is hardly needed, but you can also afford to do more DPS as WHM or AST in the off-healer spot; therefore, any combo is possible and SCHs are not NEEDED anymore. They certainly help with their extra DPS and some extra shielding here and there, but AST and WHM are also helpful in other aspects, so everything is evened out.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

SCH's deployed shields weren't needed in A1S and A2S even at launch. I know because I cleared those fights with a WHM partner running AST in Diurnal before ilvl was inflated.

For A3S, the mechanic that supposedly requires shielding is Cascade, and you can't deploy Adlo for every single Cascade in A3S, so if this kind of shielding was needed the fight would be unbeatable. The only shielding you can keep up for all Cascades is Succor and the amount of shielding provided by Succor is slightly inferior to what is provided by Aspected Helios (by 7 potency, I know, but since we decided to split hairs in here, I'll give you that).

I can't vouch for A4S, but since there have been clears with Noct. AST instead of SCH, it's pretty much a given that Deployed Adlo is not required in there.

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It was a combination of Succor/Soil/Super-Virus/Deployed Adlo. Needed one or two to survive in i190-i200 in combination with some combination of INT down and Storm's Path and misc debuffs. AST makes that moot though since it can Disable all of them and give a Soil equivalent for half of them. In fact, the big strength of SCH is most of its tools aren't needed to hit a boss, and annoyingly in HW there's been a decent amount of attacks you cannot mitigate via Path/E4E/Reprisal/Virus/etc because the attacks are immediately after a phase shift, or otherwise don't come from an enemy you can target. Basically, T9 Megaflare equivalents.

I mean, the fact that there are Noct ASTs clearing A4S with a WHM partner (there are what, two of them so far?) doesn't prove any viability or being as good or better. It means it's possible. Noct AST is garbage compared to SCH, we all know this, in terms of total healing output, mitigation, consistency, and DPS. Noct AST's barely comparable to SCH while missing a fairy, plain and simple (I'd argue fairyless SCH > Nocturnal AST even, if you just mean pure healing). In something like A4S, you need SCH or Noct AST to survive the final Mortal Revolution. Even with deployed Adlo and Soil, everyone except tanks goes down to 1-2k HP in full i210.

I'm actually not sure why you're arguing what you're arguing. This is a topic about what the BEST healer is, not the, "Are all healers viable to clear content?" topic. SCH's the best right now, or at least, the most irreplaceable, because it's the best shield healer, the most clutch, and the "best" at DPSing in most environments for multiple reasons unless it's truly a dummy phase. Farm, progression, speed runs, doesn't matter, you bring a SCH to everything because you'll clear faster and safer than without. It's a broken class. It's been broken since 2.0 and it's arguably even more broken now because at least there were only two healers to choose from in 2.0.

This is basically turning into the healer version of, WAR isn't OP, both PLD and DRK have cleared A4S, they all have their merits! Nope, you always bring WAR unless you like to gimp yourself, otherwise you lose too much; not just DPS, survivability too. Same with SCH.

I'm arguing that it's false that SCH is being used for its healing capabilities in endgame content and that people overestimate the job as a whole.

Take the DPS out of the equation, and you can Clear fights without it. Introduce healing requirements that are not catered to SCH's toolkit, and SCH will vanish from parties. SCH doesn't have anything built into the job that makes it better than the other two; it's a fight design problem, and even that is arguable.

Not having a SCH in Thordan was never a problem. A1S week one also didn't require a SCH at all, because HoT's are better than shields in that fight. As usual, people make it seem as if Savage is a living hell that requires constant shielding (which even a SCH won't provide); if that was the case, PLD's Divine Veil would be much more valued than it is. I repeat: it's a DPS issue related to the fact that SCH is the only job built to be an off-healer.

That's what I'm arguing. And the point everyone is making is that no other job is able to do the same as a SCH while DPSing. They never will, because they're not off-healers.

As for the tank issue, it's the exact same problem: SE developed another MT, and WAR is the only job built specifically to be an OT. Take DPS out of the requirement, and you'll see more balance in the tank composition.

Hopefully the next tank/healing introduced will be an off-tank/healer and people will stop with the SCH obsession.

The best, as a WHM main I am, is the Scholar. Good at single target heal, good at mitigation, good at HoT (Fey Light + Rouse + Whispering Dawn), best instant heals and best MP management in-game, highest healer DPS capabilities. SCH is a beast if played right.

The point of being the best is NOT being needed, it's the capabilities of the class. Of course there are some types of content where they are more or less capable of doing all their capabilities permit them, but they're still there.

So in-game, Scholar is probably the stronger.
Lorewise WHM is the strongest.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Hopefully the next tank/healing introduced will be an off-tank/healer and people will stop with the SCH obsession.

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This sounds more than just a little salty. There is no obsession with SCH. People are just pointing out that it's far and away the most irreplacable healer. Look at how many hypothetical situations you had to introduce to present a world in which SCH is useless. You said that a SCH would be useless if you removed DPS entirely from the equation, but the fact is that DPS drives the design of this game's meta. You can't use hypotheticals to dispute SCH's value, because the reality is that in this game's current situation, SCH is king. I'm going to go through each of your points.

1. Healing requirements are catered to SCH. No, they're based around allowing all healers to contribute DPS with good GCD management. SCH just does this best.

2. SCH isn't brought for its healing capabilities. False. I would argue that SCH is one of the best single target healers due to its burst capability with Lustrate. In A2S progression, SCH was untouchable not only for its aoe DPS capabilities, but for its reactive single target healing capabilities as well. In a fight like A2S, where damage is not entirely predictable during progression, few tools can match Lustrate. In fact, many fights are based around burst healing, in which case it's very hard to top indom and lustrate.

3. SCH doesn't have many healer tools distinguishing it from other healers. Again, false. The fairy itself is costless in terms of both MP and GCD management. It allows a SCH to heal two targets simultaneously with ease, something only an AST can come close to, and even then only at a rate of once every ninety seconds.

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Originally Posted by CBellz

This sounds more than just a little salty. There is no obsession with SCH. People are just pointing out that it's far and away the most irreplacable healer. Look at how many hypothetical situations you had to introduce to present a world in which SCH is useless. You said that

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^THIS so much this.

They're not hypothetical at all. A1S and Thordan are there to prove it's possible to balance everything without catering to any single healer. There are mechanics in there that make WHM shine, AST shine and few that make SCH shine. Your three lustrates every minute merely match burst you can get by using what's built into WHM's and AST's GCD. Add Tetra and Essential Dignity + Enhanced Benefic's proc + Lightspeed + Synastry and you see that a lot of tools pass Lustrate in healing. That's just overestimating SCH. And I mained it in 2.X, it's the only Zeta I finished and I started Savage with it.

YOU are... so don't worry. And I'm speaking truth.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

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That's not the hypothetical situation I'm talking about. I'm talking about you claiming SCH would be useless without any DPS checks in fights, which is verging on changing core gameplay. As for your point about A1S, seems like you're arguing that all three healers are viable here, which strays from the point. Everyone here is arguing that any optimal (key word) healing composition in these fights includes a SCH.

A SCH can reach 900 potency in a single GCD with physick and lustrate and WITHOUT the fairy every 20s if needed. WHM/ASTs cannot put out more healing throughput without spending mana inefficiently, and this is why SCH is broken. No other healer can get away with 5+ raises in a single fight without ballad and still be perfectly fine on resource management. When you factor in resource management as a factor of healer efficiency, there's just no comparison.

I didn't mean no DPS checks, I meant no stress on healing DPS numbers and more stress on healing mechanics. And I love how you completely ignore the fact that burning stacks to reach 900 potency reduces DPS output and can mess up shielding or AoE healing. SCHs need a very strict cooldown and stack rotation to heal efficiently, and that's what makes them weaker in healing (read weaker as "less strong") than the other two. When I say that you overestimate SCH is not a way to say SCH's suck or that they don't have their advantages. The multiple raising is one of them, the fairy is another and all of them are tied to what I pointed out before: they branch from a DPS class and were built to be an off-healer. They're the best off-healer in the game and they're going to occupy that spot until SE introduces another job built with that spot in mind OR when they change the meta. Ask a SCH to main heal A3S or even solo heal it as WHM and AST can do (there's a whole thread about it) and you'll see the weaknesses of the job. People will argue that A3S is not suited for SCH, but I'm arguing that the off-healer spot in the meta is not suited to the other two jobs, and you guys are claiming that's all because of how strong the job is and not because the fights and the metas are catered to it. So, prove me wrong and main/solo heal A3S with SCH with the same degree of work you can do it with the other two healers. An overpowered broken job that is the best healer in the game wouldn't have any problems doing that, would it?

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I\\\\'m training healer classes, so I wanna know what you think. What is the best healer in the game right now.

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Well I'm trying to get into healing after my main has been SMN since 2.0. I really really really want to love AST since I played Corsair in XI but I find it so much easier as a SCH. Maybe it's because I'm used to it because of SMN but it feels more forgiving if I make a mistake or something bad happens. In other words I have less wipes in dungeons as SCH than I do with AST. Maybe I just need more practice with AST. Best advice to level them all and find the one that suits you best.