BLM Anima: Yay or Nay?

Is it even worth getting? I mean, it's a 210 weapon if you survive the grind, but is it better than the Thordan wep? From what I hear it's actually a downgrade but I'm not sure.

I would say yes, to at least stay ahead or keep up with others. Stat wise it is not better and has no spell speed at all, it does however have higher weapon damage so that i guess makes it better possibly?
Testing will need to be done once people have it upgraded. I will say the loss of all the ss is pretty bad :(
If you do raids or Primals, etc.. i would still use eso or Savage weapon if you have it

It has no spell speed so I don't care about it. Even an Antiquated Lunaris is better then the end product IMO.

I think a better question is - is it worth getting/rushing and is it worth using? Using I'm probably going to say no, I honestly dont feel that an almost flat 100 spell speed loss cant be made up with a little int and weapon damage, that lack of spell speed probably means 1 less Fire IV... so.

I think getting it (maybe not rushing it) is wise because in later patches we have no idea how it will change

Well until I see at least 150 Spell Speed on it I'm not going to worry about it. If I want to waste time grinding I can go to diadem and get gear everyone can have a use for. The Zeta you sacrificed should have added their stats to the new weapon you created but no we couldn't have that could we.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Well until I see at least 150 Spell Speed on it I'm not going to worry about it. If I want to waste time grinding I can go to diadem and get gear everyone can have a use for. The Zeta you sacrificed should have added their stats to the new weapon you created but no we couldn't have that could we.

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You're theory doesn't really work if you were to turn in, say, a WHM Zeta in hopes of starting your DRK or NIN Anima.

Either way it doesn't work. They just destroy your weapon. Stats and all.

I think later on it will have more purpose hopefully some stat customization, but for now I'd say at lest casually work towards it, which you'll be doing anyway if you don't use the Law tokens for other classes.

I think it's worth getting it for later steps of the relic quest (since you might want to keep up to date with the highest possible weapon damage and maybe we'll get a chance again to decide on our wish-stats), but not worth using it yet, since the loss of all the spellspeed is too much.
My dps actually went up using it, no idea why though xD
Maybe I had too much spellspeed stacked beforehand?

What was your spell speed at Atoli?

Nay. Even when they allow customizable stats, there's a good chance the new weapons available in 3.2 etc will have a a choice with spell speed on it anyway.

Even if you could have customizable stats I doubt they'll let you say basically put Spell Speed on the Anima BLM weapon and have 100+ spell speed on it. They'll put some dumb cap on it like only allowing a number of stat increases up to lvl 5 materia. Similar to the Zodiac scroll with 75 materia. Which the build I had added only around 44 Spell Speed when before the weapon had none at all.

But if you are all about crit and det then I guess the weapon is for you.

Unfortunately for me I feel the best value for BLM at the end of the day is Spell Speed. More spells, more mobility, more options.

I am missing my ss.
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It should be an upgrade if you don't have another 210.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

It should be an upgrade if you don't have another 210.

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On a dummy yes, but it's goin to be a downgrade for endgame content if you miss the 100 ss imo.

Nope the eso weapon is even better, i plan on doing tests however.
I know the War and DK weapon is pretty good :(

lol kinda the same deal for Drg and Nin and all the other jobs except those who get their desired stats on it like War, Sch, etc etc

Will I use it? NO
Will I try to obtain it though? Yea...
Will I grind my ass off for it? HELL NO

BLM anima, from what I understand, is 109 Int, 103 vit, 97 det, 71 crit.
The other i210 options on the Lodestone are both 105 damage, so I presume the anima is as well. They also have that same 109 int and 103 vit.

That means the three weapons only differences are the secondary stats .. 97 det 71 crit on anima, 102 spell, 68 det on lunaris, and 102 crit 71 spell on Gordian.

From what I can find (https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/), the stat weights are WD 6.726, Int 1.000, det 0.246, crit 0.246, spell 0.281. That means the totals for *just the secondaries* on the three weapons are :
lunaris : 45.39
Gordian : 45.043
anima : 41.328

That's assuming that the Int and WD are the same for the three weapons. If the WD is even 1 point better on the anima though, then it will win out in numerical theorycrafting. Or is there something I'm not seeing?

Int and weapon damage are the same on all three 210 weapon variants.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

From what I can find, the stat weights are WD 6.726, Int 1.000, det 0.246, crit 0.246, spell 0.281. Or is there something I'm not seeing?

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The thing with Spellspeed is that it's use is greatly limited on...let's call them "mid-stages". Once you have enough to cast one more spell in your rotation, it's a huge increase in DMG, but anything between that stage and the next (one more skill in the rotation again) is pretty much lost except for the slight increase in DoT dmg.

I'm down to 590 SS now with the Anima pre-version equipped, and I can still pull off the same rotation as I did with about 100 SS more. But since I have 64 Crit and 26 Det more than before, of course my DMG went up through the weapon change. I just need to be on my toes a bit more to not mess up my rotation, since I have a bit less leeway now.
Now of course if I stacked more SS in other equipment slots, I could get to the point where, with Lunaris, I could pull of a different rotation. But those 102 SS are pretty useless by themself, so for anyone in a similar situation, the relic might be the better option too.

Why not get it? If nothing else it is something to do. I'm not "hardcore" into this game like others (I'm only 1Lvl 191), but I also have no interest in doing Savage Alexander or other raids/dungeons all the time. This is something new to do, especially for me because I never got my past relic weapon past Zenith.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

From what I can find (https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/), the stat weights are WD 6.726, Int 1.000, det 0.246, crit 0.246, spell 0.281. That means the totals for *just the secondaries* on the three weapons are :
lunaris : 45.39
Gordian : 45.043
anima : 41.328

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Those are ARR weighs. Dervy's newest ones are here: https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/2015/...d-3-0-weights/ and it doesn't have BLM weighs. I'm very certain that the extra WD and INT will make up for the less than optimal secondaries, which are about half as effective as they used to be. I'm pretty sure no one has mathed out the BLM weighs yet, or at least I don't know anyone that has.

Been testing the new Relic, and the loss of spell speed is pretty awful. Cast times is like slooooow, even with food
Parsed a little over 1000dmg on Faust which tells me i am giving to my retainer to hold unto for now, lol
The loss was rather big. Perhaps if some are testing as well they can add their opinion.
I will still recommend that players do the Relic however, as the final HQ crapted, erm i mean crafted part is a grind.

What Ilevel is your BLM that you're only able to do 1k on Faust? Not trying to be smart... I promise. But that would be a craaaazy dps loss from relic if you're anywhere in the 200's.

The reason I ask is that I'm 209 but barely holding on to 619 spellspeed after dumping as much acc as possible. The idea of losing 90+ terrifies the hell out of me.

Unless you have a 210 weapon, the Anima will be better. Waliel is correct... The weapon damage and INT increase outweigh the spell speed on the Heavens staff and the antiquated weapon doesn't even stand a chance due to being 3 WD behind. Judging from stat weights from both Pre and Post HW, the weights have been homogenized and reduced respectively. Likely to facilitate balance within increased stat budgets. What this means in laymans terms is that INT and WD hold greater value relatively speaking than they used to and this can be shown across almost all classes in regards to general weight comparisons made so far. That being said, specifically in regards to SS, the GCD reduction per point is the same across all jobs, break points will need to be assessed to establish at which point over X time it allows for another gcd, and also whether or not such an application is viable both within the specified duty and whether or not it is negated thru late proc notifications or reaction speeds.

TL;DR
As far as it sits right now WD and INT matter enough for the Anima to be better than it's lower level counter parts. In regards to the A4S weapons comparisons, (210 vs 210) stat weights will be needed to objectively assess the differences but for now the Gordian A4S weapon has the highest budget in the (typically) heaviest stats and is BiS for all intents.

Very well said Dante. I certainly know that WD rules all. And can't think of a single case where the higher Ilevel would stand behind it's lower level counterpart. I'm just going to have to come to peace with a 530 spellspeed until I start getting drops from A3S. Because that's what BIS is for us A1/2S scrubs.

I have found that 700 Spell speed is about as low as you want your spell speed to drop, after that stack that Crit. At 720 Spell speed ATM with the relic and while yes the spell speed diff from Thordan wep is noticeable it will not affect my ability to be able to do my rotation in the lightest. I know every fight extremely well already and past the point of progression other then trying to get a4 on farm with my current raid group. Spell speed is king when it comes to progression but once you know the fight, spell speed starts to not interest me as much. I will still use the Relic over the Thordan until I get Gordian. Also when we are able to change stats on relic I will be going Crit / Spell speed, so what Im trying to say yes it still worth trying to get the BLM relic if you dont already have Gordian.

Yeah... but if you're gated at A2S, you can't really take on any more spell speed without taking on even MORE acc. Which is high enough as is.

Haha... all the more reason for us to finally start clearing A3S.

I should have mentioned that i do not yet have the Relic to ilv210, but 200. So i was compairing eso (ilv200) to Relic (ilv200). Of course weapon dmg has always been numero uno. Just really do not know why weapons and even gear in hw has NO ss, like wth...
I have not looked at the heavan's weapon tbh and only tried thordan a few times. Been too busy getting all my classes/jobs to 60, which is more of my goal atm. Been rather burned out otherwise :(
Also it varies by player on what they want but i prefer ss>crit>det
If players do some testing with actual numbers i may be convinced otherwise. Besides the last step to get Relic to 210 is gonna take ages, for me anyhow, lol

@Roth_Trailfinder
I have only been able to find one source for HW Blm stat weights: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2H...gyNzEyX3c/view
Sadly it doesn't even have a weight for weapon damage, but the stats are in line with other dps classes and I haven't found any other weights.

Det: 0.108
Crit: 0.157
Spd: 0.172

Using these numbers the Substat totals on the 3 i210s are:

Gord: 28.226int
Eso : 24.888int
Relic: 21.623int
Thor: 27.360int (-4int)(-1 weapon damage worth of int)

Is it better than Thordan, it is better, but by less than the 1 weapon damage it has over Thordan and its base int is 4 higher. That is the excuse I'm telling myself to prevent myself from going hardcore on relic like I did with Nexus, Zodiac (which was better than IW i130 if you didn't need acc), and Zeta. Will this weapon be worth it when they let us fully customize the stats, yes it will be worth it, so working toward it is a good idea. Until then it isn't worth rushing, at least in my opinion.

Probably best just to get and hold on to until they upgrade again later. I could feel the spell speed drop off pretty bad. But adjusting the rotation is easy enough. I can still get off just as many fire 4s as my mp will allow per Enochain/Blizz 3.

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Originally Posted by darkwithless

@Roth_Trailfinder
Det: 0.108
Crit: 0.157
Spd: 0.172
Using these numbers the Substat totals on the 3 i210s are:
Gord: 28.226int
Eso : 24.888int
Relic: 21.623int
Thor: 27.360int (-4int)(-1 weapon damage worth of int)

Is it better than Thordan, it is better, but by less than the 1 weapon damage it has over Thordan and its base int is 4 higher. Until then it isn't worth rushing, at least in my opinion.

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one problem with the thordan wep dmg, and the wep dmg in general. if you are using dervys numbers, that 1 wep dmg is worth up to 11 main stat(smn being the closest thing that one can compare to. so no, the thordan wep would not be better.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

one problem with the thordan wep dmg, and the wep dmg in general. if you are using dervys numbers, that 1 wep dmg is worth up to 11 main stat(smn being the closest thing that one can compare to. so no, the thordan wep would not be better.

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I would like to say that I did state that it, the relic, was better than thordan, and that my personal opinion was that it was not worth rushing, which you did include in your quote. If my wording confused you, then I apologize for that.

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Originally Posted by darkwithless

I would like to say that I did state that it, the relic, was better than thordan, and that my personal opinion was that it was not worth rushing, which you did include in your quote. If my wording confused you, then I apologize for that.

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no, not at all. that was me being tired. very tired from doing my own relic.

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Congrats. Will you use it for real or use it for glamour is the question.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Congrats. Will you use it for real or use it for glamour is the question.

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Well seeing as I wont be even be dreaming of Gordian weapon, ill be using this :P

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Originally Posted by IllyriaKnotfred

Well seeing as I wont be even be dreaming of Gordian weapon, ill be using this :P

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Well if someone is happy with it more power to em. I love my spellspeed way too much.

It took some getting used to. But going from my last weapon to this, huge damage increase. Just huge. Imo Weapon damage + main stat > Everything

But people can get what they want.. obviously if you are clearing A4S then Gordian is BiS no room for argument- but most of us wont ever see that.

I got my Anima for a myriad of reasons- one of those reasons is I want to see where the quest/story/etc will go.

SE already said the next phase will be 3.25 which isn't too far off, and if it follows the pattern of "hard/long" step - "Easy" step etc. Then it will be a nice easy upgrade for that patch.