help with crafting..

im currently level 40 armorer and its taking me about 4 HOURS PER LEVEL. is this normal? ffs this is boring and tiresome.

only 4 hours? you're doing good.

The only skill for crafting is luck.
It sucks but it is true.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

The only skill for crafting is luck.
It sucks but it is true.

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yeah well, when you are the exact same level as the leve and have makers muse active on white/yellow over a certain craftsmanship threshold it should be a 100% success rate.

4 hours? I'm jealous

I agree, unfortunately... whoever made this crafting system does not.

.....people complaining about 4 hours to level....wow -.-

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

.....people complaining about 4 hours to level....wow -.-

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Seriously? This better be a joke. Do you really think it should take 4 hours of spamming a menu to gain a level? 40 hours (enough time to beat nearly any game on the market) just selecting options from a menu... just to get to max rank from 40.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Seriously? This better be a joke. Do you really think it should take 4 hours of spamming a menu to gain a level? 40 hours (enough time to beat nearly any game on the market) just selecting options from a menu... just to get to max rank from 40.

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No one's saying the system isn't messed up. They're saying that under the messed up system, 4 hours is a remarkably short time. . .

I used to check time per craft, for me, it about 100 seconds. ( with using skill)
So.. in 1 hour can do around 36 craft ( 1 hour = 60 min x 60 sec = 3600 sec )
if we got 200 xp per craft, so we got 36x200 = 7200 xp per hour
The last 49->50 need 100,000 xp so = 100,000 / 7200 = 14 hours est. for 200 xp per craft
If you got 300 per craft it will decrease to around 9 hours
400 xp will be around 7 hours.

So... yeah, crafting is the pain in the ass :P

It is outrageous to me that this community got the devs to gut and oversimplify the only good/complete system in the entire game and still people aren't happy with it. Then again, I said this would happen so it's not like I'm surprised. If you don't like crafting, then have a lick of common sense and don't do it. You people won't be happy until you can get HQ gear out of a single button press. Bloody WoW generation...

Level 40? Holy *** I applaud you. I get to Level 15 and thezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Crafting is just not interesting in the slightest. I kind of regret not leveling a craft whilst leveling my DoW or DoH. I wouldn't have to spend all this time crafting.

crafting is the most boring content in this game.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

It is outrageous to me that this community got the devs to gut and oversimplify the only good/complete system in the entire game and still people aren't happy with it. Then again, I said this would happen so it's not like I'm surprised. If you don't like crafting, then have a lick of common sense and don't do it. You people won't be happy until you can get HQ gear out of a single button press. Bloody WoW generation...

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There is a huge middle ground of hundreds of hours of button presses and a single button press. Stop being dumb.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

There is a huge middle ground of hundreds of hours of button presses and a single button press. Stop being dumb.

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Boo hoo. Go wack at something with your sword if crafting is not to your liking. Take a look at my sig. I know full well the time involved in crafting. How about you stop being dumb and do something you enjoy instead of complaining about doing something you don't?

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Boo hoo. Go wack at something with your sword if crafting is not to your liking. Take a look at my sig. I know full well the time involved in crafting. How about you stop being dumb and do something you enjoy instead of complaining about doing something you don't?

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Or... I could complain about it (which I actually haven't been doing, hurr... you may notice that this isn't my thread) and perhaps Square will take note that the community isn't happy about the crafting leveling curve and, you know... change it.
That's the cool part about these dynamic games.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

It is outrageous to me that this community got the devs to gut and oversimplify the only good/complete system in the entire game and still people aren't happy with it. Then again, I said this would happen so it's not like I'm surprised. If you don't like crafting, then have a lick of common sense and don't do it. You people won't be happy until you can get HQ gear out of a single button press. Bloody WoW generation...

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Yes, how dare people want a fun crafting system. It needs to remain broken a tedious, like the rest of the original game.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Boo hoo. Go wack at something with your sword if crafting is not to your liking. Take a look at my sig. I know full well the time involved in crafting. How about you stop being dumb and do something you enjoy instead of complaining about doing something you don't?

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Sorry, but anything that can be beaten by an unattended turbo controller (or a normal controller and a rubber band) is not a "good/complete system."

Don't get me wrong, I still craft. I just have Kindle for the PC pulled up over half of my screen while I do.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Or... I could complain about it (which I actually haven't been doing, hurr... you may notice that this isn't my thread) and perhaps Square will take note that the community isn't happy about the crafting leveling curve and, you know... change it.
That's the cool part about these dynamic games.

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Yes, because that is what the devs want. Everyone becomes level 50 crafter in a week and screw the economy even worse than it is. Brains. You can have this.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Sorry, but anything that can be beaten by an unattended turbo controller (or a normal controller and a rubber band) is not a "good/complete system."

Don't get me wrong, I still craft. I just have Kindle for the PC pulled up over half of my screen while I do.

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That's an issue with the interface and the fact that crafting is too easy, not hard.

I'm at r35 armorer, and it's not so bad, but does take a long time. I just do it when I normally would be watching a movie or tv anyway,

I don't really have a problem with that though, b/c unlike other games, in MMO's you keep your skills for a long, long, long time. Once you hit top rank, you're able to crank out the best items in the game for what, a year, till they raise the level cap? That's supposed to be a really difficult level to reach.

The problem with turning it into a more skillful minigame, is that it's really difficult to make ones that are difficult enough to stop people who are good at those games from just owning them, and still fun at the same time.

As a side question, I had thought that sub-craft requirements were done away with in the latest patch; is this not true? I have some stuff which I'm still getting a 'your leatherworking isn't high enough...' for.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Yes, because that is what the devs want. Everyone becomes level 50 crafter in a week and screw the economy even worse than it is. Brains. You can have this.

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You're the only one implying anyone wants this. Once again, and I'll say please this time.... please stop being dumb.

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

As a side question, I had thought that sub-craft requirements were done away with in the latest patch; is this not true? I have some stuff which I'm still getting a 'your leatherworking isn't high enough...' for.

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That would be because yo're crafting "Dated" gear which still has same requirements as they used to. Only new recipes don't require any extra skills. Note that most leves still have you craft dated stuff.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

You're the only one implying anyone wants this. Once again, and I'll say please this time.... please stop being dumb.

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Are you just trolling or what? What happens if you reduce xp required to level?

What the heck are you even commenting on the level curve for crafting anyway? Your highest level craft class is 15 which you can get by sneezing practically. You don't even know what you're talking about. Stick to the marauder boards. You'll have less chance of embarrassing yourself.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Are you just trolling or what? What happens if you reduce xp required to level?

What the heck are you even commenting on the level curve for crafting anyway? Your highest level craft class is 15 which you can get by sneezing practically. You don't even know what you're talking about. Stick to the marauder boards. You'll have less chance of embarrassing yourself.

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The thing about people like you is you always think in extremes. Clearly if you lower it at all, everyone's going to have crafts maxed in a week... seriously stupid.

I don't like that the crafting system is more about spending time spamming one option that can fail randomly even with great gear. Nothing really challenging about it. Hopefully something is changed. They changed the battle system because people were spamming the same option but never mentioned crafting.

Then once you get to rank 50 you can try to make HQ items that are pretty much useless since they only add 3 defense at most for armor. At least make the HQ items produce more of the bonus stats other than 3 measly defense for a +3 item. HQ armor items that are for crafting offer 0 stat realted bonuses unless defense somehow really affects crafting. I thought I was working towards rank 50 to be able to randomly make valuable gear.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Boo hoo. Go wack at something with your sword if crafting is not to your liking. Take a look at my sig. I know full well the time involved in crafting. How about you stop being dumb and do something you enjoy instead of complaining about doing something you don't?

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That is SO naive and ignorant.. Wow, if they catered the game to players like you, who would they have? No one. Seriously, if the MAJORITY of players find a certain aspect (a very LARGE aspect mind you) of the game to be boring, they should probably make it more F**KING interesting. Not everyone would rather spend time mindlessly pressing enter than doing something productive or, god forbid, FUN with their time?

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

You're the only one implying anyone wants this. Once again, and I'll say please this time.... please stop being dumb.

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Agreed, completely. What an arrogant tool... Get your head checked, Wynn, I don't know what slave planet you were born on, but around here people usually aim for this thing called moderation.

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Originally Posted by KalaKenshu

That is SO naive and ignorant.. Wow, if they catered the game to players like you, who would they have? No one. Seriously, if the MAJORITY of players find a certain aspect (a very LARGE aspect mind you) of the game to be boring, they should probably make it more F**KING interesting. Not everyone would rather spend time mindlessly pressing enter than doing something productive or, god forbid, FUN with their time?

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Reducing xp needed to gain crafting levels =/= more interesting crafting. Nor would it satisfy anyone who wants it unless it was drastic to the point of stupidity so they wouldn't have to sit there and grind on a craft. That's what this comes down to. Instant gratification.

Also, don't come here talking about demographics. You have absolutely nothing at all to back up any of your assertions other than your belief that you fall within some sort of majority. A believe most people have, regardless of what is the reality.

Additionally, just because you want something doesn't make it right. Even if a whole bunch of other people also want what you want. Since we are pointing fingers and slinging insults here, the problem with people like you and the ironically named charismatic over there is that you aren't able to see past your own nose to know when something is not good for the entirety of the situation. You only care about the immediate impact it has on you.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Reducing xp needed to gain crafting levels =/= more interesting crafting. Nor would it satisfy anyone who wants it unless it was drastic to the point of stupidity so they wouldn't have to sit there and grind on a craft. That's what this comes down to. Instant gratification.

Also, don't come here talking about demographics. You have absolutely nothing at all to back up any of your assertions other than your belief that you fall within some sort of majority. A believe most people have, regardless of what is the reality.

Additionally, just because you want something doesn't make it right. Even if a whole bunch of other people also want what you want. Since we are pointing fingers and slinging insults here, the problem with people like you and the ironically named charismatic over there is that you aren't able to see past your own nose to know when something is not good for the entirety of the situation. You only care about the immediate impact it has on you.

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I don't even care about the actual XP required to level crafting. That's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that the entirety of the crafting experience is composed of hitting enter and occasionally up. Monotony isn't exactly engaging. And, yes, there is some middle ground somewhere between the current state of things and one in which everyone instantly levels to 50. I'm not sure what that middle ground is. I'm not sure anyone knows, even. I do know, however, that expressing displeasure with the current state of affairs is more likely to inspire SE to try something different.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I don't even care about the actual XP required to level crafting. That's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that the entirety of the crafting experience is composed of hitting enter and occasionally up. Monotony isn't exactly engaging. And, yes, there is some middle ground somewhere between the current state of things and one in which everyone instantly levels to 50. I'm not sure what that middle ground is. I'm not sure anyone knows, even. I do know, however, that expressing displeasure with the current state of affairs is more likely to inspire SE to try something different.

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That's fine and I even agree with you regarding the process. Crafting is monotonous, no doubt about it.

In beta it seemed Rapid was a valid option. Shortly after release they quickly buffed standard to be the default option for pretty much every case and nerferd the durability loss of rapid to be way too high and give it a high failure rate. Now the only thing rapid is good for is breaking your synth faster. 2 rapids and I lost over 50 durability each after it went unstable with an element. Ridiculous. A valid rapid option helped break up some of the monoteny of crafting if that option was still valid in some way and made synthesis faster which I think could use a boost to the time it takes to craft something.

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Originally Posted by Fixy

im currently level 40 armorer and its taking me about 4 HOURS PER LEVEL. is this normal? ffs this is boring and tiresome.

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its true, crafting is tiresome and boring, imo i would be using turbo gamepad so i can auto my way to 50

at least crafting is a little interactive in FFXIV unlike WOW where you just choose it from a menu and it is always 100% -.- now THAT is boring. I kind of like how FFXI did it, but at the same time it needed improvement.