Anima relic grind solution

I don't usually complain about this game but the grind in this new relic saga is a bit too much. I do not mind the crafting stuff at all is just the grind.

My solution for it will be to chop everything by half:

Instead of 680 poetics/law for items should be 340
Instead of 20 items should be 10
Instead of 18 tokens should be 9
Instead of 1k allied seals should be 500
Instead of 10 Precision Gordian should be 5

The mats for the specialists stuff is pretty easy to get so I don't think (personally) should be nerfed.

If you have a better solution will be great to hear it.

Implement a quest that involves killing actual bosses instead of spamming brainless low level content.

It's not really a "bit much".

They don't want you getting your relic on the first day it releases.

Just doing daily roulettes + maybe 2-3 alex runs a day will let you finish this first stage in a little over a month.


Though the prices for some things could use tweaking (Especially them Precision Gordian), they don't need to nerf the entire grind or else people will be rocking a relic before the end of the week.

Anima solution?

Take it out from the game, implement a Z recovery sistem. Fire the developers responsable. Come up with something new. Like a multiple end weapon based on the content we do the most, with diferent desing, something i can progress by doing anything i want and not what quest tell me to do, even more, each quest should be diferent for each relic, with diferent lore, targets, locations, NPCs, quest names, etc.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Implement a quest that involves killing actual bosses instead of spamming brainless low level content.

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You can get high level weapons from killing actual bosses.

The relic is for people who want to invest time instead of tackling hard challenges. Its for the people who wont be doing Thordan EX or Alex Savage.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Anima solution?

Take it out from the game, implement a Z recovery sistem. Fire the developers responsable. Come up with something new. Like a multiple end weapon based on the content we do the most, with diferent desing, something i can progress by doing anything i want and not what quest tell me to do, even more, each quest should be diferent for each relic, with diferent lore, targets, locations, NPCs, quest names, etc.

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Ok and how long would you be willing to wait for this content and what other content would you be willing to give up to have it made?

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Originally Posted by Belhi

You can get high level weapons from killing actual bosses.

The relic is for people who want to invest time instead of tackling hard challenges. Its for the people who wont be doing Thordan EX or Alex Savage.




Ok and how long would you be willing to wait for this content and what other content would you be willing to give up to have it made?

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6 months should do.

I like the way the new WoW expansion is handling their artifact weapon system. Every class gets a unique quest that unlocks a unique base weapon. Then as you play and earn xp through various things the weapon gets more powerful and unlocks new abilities/stats.

It's much more exciting to see your weapon get more powerful as you go and leveling it doing things you want to do ingame. Farming Alexander 800 (!) times and then being given a weapon just feels dull and like I am trying to climb too high of a wall. I will pass.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The relic is for people who want to invest time instead of tackling hard challenges.

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It wasn't before. Unfortunately the devs have taken "casual" to mean "completely unskilled," and so now we have replaced Hydra and Titan with FATEs and Beast Tribe quests.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

You can get high level weapons from killing actual bosses.

The relic is for people who want to invest time instead of tackling hard challenges. Its for the people who wont be doing Thordan EX or Alex Savage.

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I agree with this. The relic has always been just one, of many, ways to get a solid end game weapon. I've never understood the rage against it or the process to get it. Right now I believe Hive, Heavenly, Alexander, and Esoteric weapons are all solid options for an end game weapon (and any of those would work well for most players, who don't engage in high end raiding) If one option doesn't suit your needs one of the others will. If a month or two working on the Anima weapon is too much for you, pursue a different weapon.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

6 months should do.

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And what content would you be willing to give up? The resources to create all that have to come from somewhere. What your asking for is effectively 13 different questlines with their own unique stories and possibly encounters. I think your being very unrealistic on exactly how much work it takes to implement something like that.

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Originally Posted by ToniRomo

I like the way the new WoW expansion is handling their artifact weapon system. Every class gets a unique quest that unlocks a unique base weapon. Then as you play and earn xp through various things the weapon gets more powerful and unlocks new abilities/stats.

It's much more exciting to see your weapon get more powerful as you go and leveling it doing things you want to do ingame. Farming Alexander 800 (!) times and then being given a weapon just feels dull and like I am trying to climb too high of a wall. I will pass.

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Their artefact system is a very different beast, starting with the fact there are no other weapons available in the expansion except the Artifact for you class. While the system is an interesting one, its closer to a complete weapon system overhaul than an relic.

Strictly speaking most things you do in FF14 can contribute to the final stage of your relic. You don't have to run Alex. You can get the materials through Beast tribe dailies, with Poetics, with Law, with hunt seals, and from maps.

How about we have to kill each of the Extreme primal? Bismark/Ravana/Thoriden

You could have that done within two weeks of somewhat casual play, OP. That would defeat the entire point of it being a grind.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Implement a quest that involves killing actual bosses instead of spamming brainless low level content.

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The reason they want you spamming low level content is so new players aren't subjected to horribly long queues.

Or how about we need no solutions? People complain there's nothing to do and the game feels dead, and then SE finally give us something that will actually take time and people are already asking for nerfs. Believe it or not, some people actually enjoy the grind and aren't on a race to get it within the week. Pace yourself and go for it, if not you shouldn't even be going for an Anima weapon. Did you really expect it to not be grindy?

As much as I dislike this empty grind, they could save it.

Require 5 of each unidentified item instead of 20, and 1 of each crafted item instead of 4.

It would still be a grind, and it would still require dedication. But 600+ Alex normals? Who thought that was a good idea?

Yes I'm aware that's not the only way to get those items, but the time sink remains the same

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

How about we have to kill each of the Extreme primal? Bismark/Ravana/Thoriden

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would be more fun. Please let me trade in my spare Thordan tokens.

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Originally Posted by OmegaStrongtan

would be more fun. Please let me trade in my spare Thordan tokens.

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Would also be an achievement im proud to say i did, rather then i spent hours grinding 800 Alex runs...i mean which achievement is better? We should have both options one for Hardcore / Raid style players and another for Craft / take your time/ grind players.

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Originally Posted by ScarletDawn

Would also be an achievement im proud to say i did, rather then i spent hours grinding 800 Alex runs...i mean which achievement is better? We should have both options one for Hardcore / Raid style players and another for Craft / take your time/ grind players.

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That's the point of the anima weapon. Its an option for the Craft/take your time/grind players. Hardcore/Raid style players already have several options available to them. The Anima weapon is the only way someone who doesn't do Thordan EX or Alex Savage can get a weapon over 200.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I don't usually complain about this game but the grind in this new relic saga is a bit too much. I do not mind the crafting stuff at all is just the grind.

My solution for it will be to chop everything by half:

Instead of 680 poetics/law for items should be 340
Instead of 20 items should be 10
Instead of 18 tokens should be 9
Instead of 1k allied seals should be 500
Instead of 10 Precision Gordian should be 5

The mats for the specialists stuff is pretty easy to get so I don't think (personally) should be nerfed.

If you have a better solution will be great to hear it.

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Says the person who has all 60 crafters/gatherers x_x

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

It wasn't before. Unfortunately the devs have taken "casual" to mean "completely unskilled," and so now we have replaced Hydra and Titan with FATEs and Beast Tribe quests.

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Step 2 - Obtain Inferno Seal x3, Tremor Seal x3, Vortex Seal x3 from Rank 2 Hamlet (gold chest requiring 60K+ scores)
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Step 11 - Gather a certain number of beastcoins from the appropriate beatmen tribe (10 stacks Tier 1 OR 5 stacks Tier 2 OR 1 stack Tier 3)
PLD = 990 of the Bronze Amalj'ok OR 495 of the Iron Amalj'ok OR 99 Darksteel Amalj'ok
MNK = 990 of the Bronze Amalj'ok OR 495 of the Iron Amalj'ok OR 99 Darksteel Amalj'ok
WAR = 990 of the Titan Copperpiece OR 495 of the Titan Mythrilpiece OR 99 Titan Electrumpiece
DRG = 990 of the Ixali Willowknots OR 495 of the Ixali Mapleknots OR 99 Ixali Ebonknots
BRD = 990 of the Ixali Willowknots OR 495 of the Ixali Mapleknots OR 99 Ixali Ebonknots
WHM = 990 of the Titan Copperpiece OR 495 of the Titan Mythrilpiece OR 99 Titan Electrumpiece
BLM = 990 of the Titan Copperpiece OR 495 of the Titan Mythrilpiece OR 99 Titan Electrumpiece
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Step 17 - Raise the Spiritbond of the weapon to 100%

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post745711

sure, they removed a lot of the grind from the relic quest at 2.0 launch, but then they found out that too many players finish the relic quest (the reason why coil weapon got changed from ilevel 190 to ilevel 195)

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Originally Posted by ReddAxel

Says the person who has all 60 crafters/gatherers x_x

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Unfortunately the fact that they are specialist recipes means that in the end having all crafters and gatherers at 60 doesn't help much.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Unfortunately the fact that they are specialist recipes means that in the end having all crafters and gatherers at 60 doesn't help much.

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So you think you are fine as is? I don't craft so....eh x_x

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Originally Posted by Belhi

And what content would you be willing to give up? The resources to create all that have to come from somewhere. What your asking for is effectively 13 different questlines with their own unique stories and possibly encounters. I think your being very unrealistic on exactly how much work it takes to implement something like that.

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None.

They already delayed this 6 months for absolutely no reason. Since its just 1 quest series and the things to do are exactly copypasted from before. We already are reciving 1 dungeon version (a recycled dungeon already) less in exchange of "new diferent content". If they can`t manage, they aren`t doing it right.

Is XIV a big MMORPG? yes. Has enough budget? but of course yes. I expect nothing less than what any other MMORPG might offer. And we are recibing far less, actually, for this questline, we are reciving literally nothing. They delayed this 6 months to give us nothing.

Unrealistic? WoW is making exactly what im proposing. If a big MMORPG like WoW can. A big (and riding the wave!) MMORPG like XIV can. If not, then the title isn`t worth the care of their devs anymore.

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That aside, thats just wishing, it wont happen, in 5 years more people will be grinding fates to get atmas to get their i610 relic.

FFXIV The game where ideas went to oblivion...

New Ideas?... Nah just recycle the same grind from ARR Relics

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Originally Posted by Felis

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post745711

sure, they removed a lot of the grind from the relic quest at 2.0 launch, but then they found out that too many players finish the relic quest (the reason why coil weapon got changed from ilevel 190 to ilevel 195)

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You have omitted the following:

Clear Darkhold in 13 minutes or less
Clear Aurum Vale/Cutter's Cry in 16(?) minutes or less 3x each.
Clear a class-specific Leve that's actually pretty challenging
Clear Garuda with no deaths
Clear Ifrit Extreme

and that's just from memory

There was a grind, but there was also some legitimate challenge there to make you feel like you actually accomplished something. Even in 2.0 this was the case with people wiping to Titan/Chimera/Hydra. It was all in bite-sized chunks too, so a casual player could work on it a bit at a time. Unfortunately, after the initial quest they replaced all of the parts you actually want to remember with more brainless solo grind. They also apparently have adopted the idea that casual = helpless newbie who can't complete anything requiring even a bit of teamwork.

Really, I think the key here is creative use of the resources they have. The quests created after the initial 1.0 and 2.0 relics have been devoid of creativity.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

They don't want you getting your relic on the first day it releases.

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From a "living Weapon" I expect to get it soon, but to level it up... Look at older FF games where you level up your Skills the more you use it
Static programming kills FFXIV!

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Implement a quest that involves killing actual bosses instead of spamming brainless low level content.

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I will only accept this for the last step replacing the HQ mats needed. Steps 1 and 2 are doable easily, especially step 2 if you're undermanning everything, can get all the dungeons done in under 4 hours. Step 3...I ain't spending 80 mil (current total price on Exodus) for all the HQ mats needed for this. Take out the crafting, keep everything else.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

You can get high level weapons from killing actual bosses.

The relic is for people who want to invest time instead of tackling hard challenges. Its for the people who wont be doing Thordan EX or Alex Savage.

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Which are the exact same people that are complaining about how this whole relic system works. So yeah.. lol

The only thing you need to do to fix the relic quest is drop the required HQ craftable items from 4 to 1 and sell them in a npc shops for 100k - 200k. Bam! Done! Fixed!

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Originally Posted by ToniRomo

I like the way the new WoW expansion is handling their artifact weapon system. Every class gets a unique quest that unlocks a unique base weapon. Then as you play and earn xp through various things the weapon gets more powerful and unlocks new abilities/stats.

It's much more exciting to see your weapon get more powerful as you go and leveling it doing things you want to do ingame. Farming Alexander 800 (!) times and then being given a weapon just feels dull and like I am trying to climb too high of a wall. I will pass.

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YES!!! Why cant we have this!?!?To think that they got that idea from us and doing it better.

If SE turns around and tells me there's not gonna be another update until March I can probably "understand" the grind but my issue right now is the amount of stuff there's to do with so little time.

I personally don't quiet understand people get the idea that relic is for casuals, for those who DONT wanna tackle difficult stuff... But what about the ones with no static and people blocking you to allow you to learn the fights because you haven't cleared it?

The other issue that there is SO MUCH to do taking relic out of the equation. This is my case :

cap Esos / run VA for drops (if it drops)
red scrips gathering and crafting
Craft the red scrip stuff , gather red scrip stuff.
Relic , 800 hundred runs of Alex
Gather mats for next week red scrip stuff , same for gathering ones. Craft then

Again... why is it so hard to understand?! quite shocking people fail to get the core of the problem.

Let me use some color text so people might actually understand it this time:

PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GRINDING, THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT GRINDING CRAP MINDLESS BORING OLD RECYCLED CONTENT. NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF THE RELIC QUEST, WE ARE ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GRINDING, RECYCLED CONTENT, LOW LEVEL DUNGEONS ALREADY SPAMMED FOR MONTHS, FATES WHICH ARE THE MOST MIND NUMBING CONTENT, ALEX NORMAL THAT WAS SPAMMED AGAIN FOR WEEKS. THERE IS LITTERALLY NOT A SINGLE NEW CONTENT DEVELOPED FOR RELIC QUEST. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT.

do you get it now? there is a difference between "not wanting to grind" and "grind crap content". And this has NOTHING to do with being casual or professional raider that gets paid to sit on the pc chair for 22 hours/day (yeah i made a joke, can you tell?).

And it got delayed 6 months btw.

Why are we paying this people again?

Isnt it whole purpose of relic. Once content start to be dead, they release relic weapons. Revive old content so new players can easier catch up. Now you may get help easier as new player because ppl after after your extra law bonuses.

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Originally Posted by DarkB

do you get it now? there is a difference between "not wanting to grind" and "grind crap content". And this has NOTHING to do with being casual or professional raider that gets paid to sit on the pc chair for 22 hours/day (yeah i made a joke, can you tell?).

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what content do you expect, which doesnt involve killing trials, monsters, hunt, beastman but is a grind?

I cant think of anything new which is completely different to the actual grinds