24 players savage

well like the title says im missing a 24 player savage mode raid. i know some people might have suggested this before but i gotta pull this topic out of the grave once again.
as a former wow player im still very interested in raids that are a bit bigger than the usual 8 man staic and we already have the 24 player raids but those are as we all know easy as hell. just like alexander normal is easy as hell so i understand the concept of easy raid but why not give us what the small grps already have?

a good and hard to savage would be perfect for this game wich has no alliance content at all. (and no airship does not counts since its just grinding and pretty damn easy)

we would even have a reason to go into this 24 savage... just give us a third option for stats combination on the gear maybe add something cool as well like mounts ect, and the players would storm this raid in a nutshell.
what are guys thinking about that?

24 man Alexander savage. Have fun.

Have you even participated in 24 man content? It's easy because it has to be (trolling and difficulty of coordination)

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

24 man Alexander savage. Have fun.

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I......just no...........i will have nightmares now :).

It's hard enough finding 8 people of suitable calibre for raiding savage, 24? no, just no, unless savage was made infinitely easier, there is no way it would work LOL

well finding people should be no problem i mean like i said bigger raids do work as seen in other games it does not have be supercrazy like wildstart but even in this game the 40 raids are clear and there are way less players in this game than in ffxiv
also coordination was never problem before why should it be one here? its rather a question of how would it be executed by the programmers.
also yes i have of course played the 24 players content and thats the problem its so damn easy that its no fun at all. its just like "urgh yes i have to do this thing because i need my damn gear every week -.-" its a joke not a raid its just like alex normal. fun once but thats that

As someone already stated, it's easy 'cause it has to be. Sure, it's easy for a lot of us. Idk how many 24-man raids you've run though, but I've run PLENTY where people make things MUCH harder than they have to be, either through trolling, extremely poor coordination, or just flat-out incompetence.

And on the contrary, I think it would be pretty difficult to find 24 people capable of running a raid at Savage level... Quite a hassle to recruit a full 24-man raid as it is, let alone one with players who meet the skill requirement for that level of content.

+++Want this too.

Savage doesn't need to exist, there are ways to make content tougher without tacking Savage to it. Honestly SE isn't thinking outside the box when it comes to keeping older content relevant.

Here is an example:

Crystal Tower (Level 50 Sync 50)

Have fun beating that, on top of that allow the ability to tack on challenges onto the Duty.

-One Life (Unable to Raise if player is defeated they can only be raised after a boss is defeated)

-Tenacity (Healers gain more aggro when curing)

-Fatigue (All TP abilities double in cost/DD mages lose 1/3 their MP pool)

And it's just quick examples that came to mind but honestly, why not create the Golden Saucer "Battle Arena" that just acts as a portal to creating unique challenges for older content and completing certain challenges could award unique gear/item achievements or as mentioned in another post doing specific challenges could increase drop rate of certain loot or even add new rarer loot to those dungeons.

It would revitalize the game in a way that is needed to be honest, so much content is forgotten but honestly speaking unsynced "extreme" fights are still tough, unsynced dungeons can still be tough, but this game deflates the difficulty so much because it's easy to overgear.

24 player - or generally any number near that - content would be great. But honestly it would be a different game.

8man savage: everyone has to be 100% or you start over. You're following a script more or less. This means very difficult to replace anyone.

24man, if done right: There has to be some flexibility. Things should be killable with a few people missing or non-optimal class mix. This means a little easier in terms of what is expected of everyone skill wise. Then you make up for that with a longer duration or more quantity of mechanics (less intensity though).

I don't think it has to be "savage" difficulty.

Just would really love to see something that isn't mostly faceroll "dodge-the-AoEs" like the tower/ark series and a mindless "zerg it for credit" like hunts and Diadem... You know, for groups of people capable of advanced thought. Doesn't even have to be 24-man; could even try it with 16 and see how it's accepted.

But first the devs really need to fix alliance-making and interface outside of 24-man raids and PvP.

I feel that the 24 man raids in this game are required to be as easy as they are only because it's a low requirement instance accessible through the duty finder.
I think the potential for a somewhat more difficult content in this game certainly exists, but again, the tuning would need to be quite an amount less than the current savage raid.

The playerbase is clamoring for significant midcore content, especially encounters that entire free companies can participate in.
Diadem is not this content.

Considering how awful most players have been in 24 man content thus far i would also say no.
It would actually be a nightmare, lol

I am pretty sure that the next 24 man will once again be a long 1-hour run that no one will >want< to run once its loot usefulness dwindles.

I've seen plenty of people still que for primals extreme, even though undersizing it is much easier, because those fights are fun and its good to help people that still want to clear it without pf. Sure mounts are an incentive, but the design of those fights when they came out strikes just the right balance of challenging but isnt over the top.

Savage usually means that you need top gear to even enter, which is a roadblock. Extremes are generally tuned to the gear that will be obtainable by most when they come out. They also dont have trash mobs and trash bosses that void and sycrus had.

With 24 mans you can actually have two or three bosses all at the same time, doing different mechanics that one or all alliances have to react to. It needs to test your skills and teamwork more than an arbitrary DPS check.

We need content that stays fun, we need it to not be limited to 8 overgeared/overmelded people, and we need to see SE try new things they haven't done before.

It would have to be easier than the 8 man savage content, for obvious reasons that others have stated like its hard enough to coordinate 8 people, but there could definitely be something harder than the void ark for 24 people. Other games have done it (like you said in WoW) there is no reason it couldn't be implemented here.

They need to change Diadem HM into incursions with bosses and no flying.

- queue as an alliance of 2 or 3
- bosses with mechanics that require alot of coordination.
- trash mobs
Gold Chest drops loot on par with savage
Silver Chest 10 iLvls lower than the cap
Bronze Chest 20 iLvls lower

Gear and Weapon stats are randomized.

This'll never happen though, because apparently savage tier raiders are the minority. Also be careful what you wish for, you ask for harder content they'll give you something worse than A3s and A4s