The most annoying thing in dungeons.

So I finished leveling another tank and the worst thing was not to struggle through dozens of bad healers (don't heal me in Cleric Stance for god's sake) and dps (why would that BLM single target attack in 5 mob pulls...).

No, more annoying was to pull 5 mobs, getting bashed by them, literally buring our defensive and healing cooldowns just to watch some bard running away for a side chest.

Dudes and dudettes, that treasure chest with Grade 2 Clear Prism will not disappear, you can always open it after we finish killing all these mobs. Don't be so impatient and greedy.

Attack first, open later.

I have "must get loot now" disease.

I'm sorry I promise you won't die.

Its always entertaining to see lalafels mad

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Originally Posted by Bloopan

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The most annoying thing in dungeons:

The tanks.

They're too slow, wasting everybody's time, always complain, can transform into a diva, and try to abuse with the vote kick system.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

The most annoying thing in dungeons:

The tanks.

They're too slow, wasting everybody's time, always complain, can transform into a diva, and try to abuse with the vote kick system.

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Someone's stroking with the big brush here.


For me, it is players using attacks with knockback in them. I dun like. :[

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His wife definitely packed his angry eyes

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Someone's stroking with the big brush here.


For me, it is players using attacks with knockback in them. I dun like. :[

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This! Why on earth are you using a knockback ability that isn't needed, your making more work for your tank and mele dps because they have to run after the mob at times. It's cool to use this if you pull hate and your sending back to the tank but for the love of god. Stop using it when it's not needed!!!!!!!!!!!

There is already a "venting about how bad others play versus yourself thread"

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y.-Let-s-vent.

Healing in clering stance can be due to a m istake OR emergency heal because the tank silly he is forgot to move out of an easy aoe so even in cleric stance the heal is maybe low but avoids the silly tank to die, might want to think of these two circumstances.

For the Knock back as a healer I use it if I am attacked the silly tank does not care to remove it from my shoulders so..fluid aura and sleep....eh? might want to consider this too.
Other situation where I use fluid aura though rare is when dps take so long to kill a single target that ...using fluid aura will shorten that by alot since used well it will kill the target.

For the use of single target BLM ability is used when the silly tank again is not able to hold over a multil target aoe skill...eh?

ever thought of those ?

When I'm healing and everything's okay, I run for the box. But on the subject of loot, those people who don't vote ever and just let the timer run out. Doesn't having that in the corner of the screen bother them? It takes all of two seconds to vote.

I was doing Expert the other day and the Plague Doctor Belt dropped and it just sit there. After a bit, the healer spoke up and the tank stopped and said he wouldn't do pulls until it dropped. It was almost instantaneous how fast the other guy passed after that.

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

When I'm healing and everything's okay, I run for the box. But on the subject of loot, those people who don't vote ever and just let the timer run out. Doesn't having that in the corner of the screen bother them? It takes all of two seconds to vote.

I was doing Expert the other day and the Plague Doctor Belt dropped and it just sit there. After a bit, the healer spoke up and the tank stopped and said he wouldn't do pulls until it dropped. It was almost instantaneous how fast the other guy passed after that.

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i ttakes more then a second and sometimes as a healer and due to silly tanks you dont have the second to check the item unless you let silly tank-standing in the aoe-not avoiding it die a) if you will want to have the loot due to stats b) checking if you have it already in one of your retainers c) press the ok button dismiss it from the back of your mind thinking you have done it and realize afterwards that it didnt take it

To answer your question. personally that square does not bother me whatsoever..although I try to press always.

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That is indeed the most terrifying sundrop dance I've ever seen.

holy spam whm , when im on drk and use blood price :_(

the thing i hate the most is an unapologetic dps who intentionally tries to speed things up.

If i'm not pulling an entire room i think:
A: The healer is undergeared
B: DPS is shit
C: All of the above

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Someone's stroking with the big brush here.


For me, it is players using attacks with knockback in them. I dun like. :[

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This bothers me less and less these days. I enjoy seeing the knockback on the kill shot. Now if you do it on cool down or miss the finisher - I will switch targets. If no other enemies are around, I sheathe my weapon and stand there eyeballing the culprit.

I hate when I read these forums and then get paranoid about how I'm going to get a bad group and then don't want to run dungeons. Then I run them and realize I get more good groups than bad and once again enjoy tanking.

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Originally Posted by MeiUshu

Healing in clering stance can be due to a m istake OR emergency heal because the tank silly he is forgot to move out of an easy aoe so even in cleric stance the heal is maybe low but avoids the silly tank to die, might want to think of these two circumstances.

For the Knock back as a healer I use it if I am attacked the silly tank does not care to remove it from my shoulders so..fluid aura and sleep....eh? might want to consider this too.
Other situation where I use fluid aura though rare is when dps take so long to kill a single target that ...using fluid aura will shorten that by alot since used well it will kill the target.

For the use of single target BLM ability is used when the silly tank again is not able to hold over a multil target aoe skill...eh?

ever thought of those ?

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You love playing Devil's advocate and making nonsensical posts.

I always grab loot during combat (though I'm usually healing) because I am 100% sure that if I do it after the fight, the tank will have run off without waiting and will be at least half dead before I catch up again.

Most annoying thing for me is when no one can be assed to say a simple hello at the start of a run! :X C'mon, it's not hard. It's the most basic level of civility, and yet most people skip it.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

So I finished leveling another tank and the worst thing was not to struggle through dozens of bad healers (don't heal me in Cleric Stance for god's sake) and dps (why would that BLM single target attack in 5 mob pulls...).

No, more annoying was to pull 5 mobs, getting bashed by them, literally buring our defensive and healing cooldowns just to watch some bard running away for a side chest.

Dudes and dudettes, that treasure chest with Grade 2 Clear Prism will not disappear, you can always open it after we finish killing all these mobs. Don't be so impatient and greedy.

Attack first, open later.

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Hard to believe that one finds a bad healer and a single target BLM less bothersome than someone picking up a chest.

On that note, to anyone who does this, you picking up a chest doesn't bother me.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Most annoying thing for me is when no one can be assed to say a simple hello at the start of a run! :X C'mon, it's not hard. It's the most basic level of civility, and yet most people skip it.

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Sometimes I just wave. I'm too lazy to reach over to my keyboard sometimes, and it's a pain typing messages with a controller. D: I'm sorry!

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Sometimes I just wave. I'm too lazy to reach over to my keyboard sometimes, and it's a pain typing messages with a controller. D: I'm sorry!

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lol, I'm good with waving! Honestly, anything that acknowledges the group makes me happy :)

As a THM, there are times when single target is a better choice.

1. Large trash pulls that are going down easy. Fire I uses far less Mp, and by the time Fire I I casts whatever I targeted may be down and I'll have to retarget and cast again. I can single shot what's still alive faster in some cases.

2. Same situation as above, if I feel having every mob come after me will end badly.

3. Small spaces where I'm likely to pull something the tank hasn't.

4. I may take the kill shot on something with Fire I if Mp is getting low before I transpose and resume aoe.

Those are the reasons aside from a crappy healer or a tank that can't keep aggro.

Incompetent tanks is why people that know what they are doing single target. The other ones just suck so meh.

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Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu

Those are the reasons aside from a crappy healer or a tank that can't keep aggro.

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yep

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Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu

As a THM, there are times when single target is a better choice.

1. Large trash pulls that are going down easy. Fire I uses far less Mp, and by the time Fire I I casts whatever I targeted may be down and I'll have to retarget and cast again. I can single shot what's still alive faster in some cases.

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BLM has infinite MP.

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Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu

2. Same situation as above, if I feel having every mob come after me will end badly.

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Well that is a fault of your tank, not you. However, when I SMN, I just run and stand next to the tank as I AoE so he can grab them back, as I've never run a dungeon and not stole agro from the tank as I was AoEing. I also run up for Blizz II spam, but that's more of a SMN thing.

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3. Small spaces where I'm likely to pull something the tank hasn't.

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Same as above. However, that said, you should AoE first and if the tank is not keeping things, switch to single.

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Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu

4. I may take the kill shot on something with Fire I if Mp is getting low before I transpose and resume aoe.

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Could do that, but that implies you are AoEing which goes against what was being said. Also, killing one off is a waste of DPS, but can be good if your tank is dying.

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Those are the reasons aside from a crappy healer or a tank that can't keep aggro.

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But like, all of points 2 and 3 were about tanks not keeping agro, and point 4 was about either a crappy healer or crappy tank (or both)?


All of that said, there are situations when single target is better. I am not sure what the rule of thumb is now, but I believe in ARR it was 3+ mobs = AoE, 1-2 = Single target. In HW, BLM got a lot more heavy single target spells and a nerf to their aoe, so it may be more like 4+ or 5+ = AoE?

Fire i is faster so if it's a quick kill trash pull, it can be faster to single shot. Let's say I target something and cast fire ii.... and now it's dead before the casting finishes. I tab to the next target and fire ii... and that one's dead before it finishes. In those cases, I single shot those.

Adds on a boss, sometimes that's single shot because I'm low on mp and don't have the time to transpose and blizzard but I can land a single shot.

I'd be all aoe all the time on 3 or more if I could, but there are times singles are more effective.

Annoying things in dungeon:

1. People who run away before I can buff them.
2. Tanks who don't use any defensive cooldowns.
3. Dps/healer who DEMAND tank to pull more and pull themselves.
4. Dps/healer who pretend they're tank.
5. People who pretend they know mechanics.
6. People who use knock back abilities when tank clearly has the mob in front of them.
7. People who just don't know how to play their job/ refuse to take any advice.

Shall I continue?

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Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu

Fire i is faster so if it's a quick kill trash pull, it can be faster to single shot. Let's say I target something and cast fire ii.... and now it's dead before the casting finishes. I tab to the next target and fire ii... and that one's dead before it finishes. In those cases, I single shot those.

Adds on a boss, sometimes that's single shot because I'm low on mp and don't have the time to transpose and blizzard but I can land a single shot.

I'd be all aoe all the time on 3 or more if I could, but there are times singles are more effective.

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Best tip for you is to target either a) the biggest mob with the biggest HP pool or b) whatever the melee dps is not focusing to start your AoE.
As for MP effectiveness it's generally more effective for damage per MP to AoE, despite that you lose more MP per spell and faster. Further to this idea, it's more time efficient to AoE despite your running out of MP faster and the first mob takes longer to die - as the DPS is higher and thus the mob pack dies faster. This is evidenced by basic math where DPS = damage / second, and the mobs have a set health. Thus, increased damaged / second decreases total time.

I am not suggesting a BLM should never single target, as it has it's times when it's better (i.e. a boss fight, no doubt), but I was simply countering your points as to when it's useful to single target. Mostly, I was just trying to provide tips as it appears you're still learning your job as a lvl 16 THM.

That one guy who uses a knockback on every pull even when the mobs have high health.

You know who you are.

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Originally Posted by Bloopan

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Says the player with the bandwagon race.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Sometimes I just wave. I'm too lazy to reach over to my keyboard sometimes, and it's a pain typing messages with a controller. D: I'm sorry!

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Select (activate chat)
A (set cursor)
LeftButton (auto translate )
Scroll down twice
Hit A ttree times

Selects and shows (Hello!) In auto translate in the chat...easy peasy

Thanks Kaurie.. I'm always open to new insight.


I think I'm 28? now or something around there, but yeah, still learning some. My biggest issue with small HP trash pulls is cast time for Fire II. Aside from tanks that don't hold aggro which was quite a few in low level DF. Also crappy healers. One told me "never ever aoe in a dungeon" What????

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Originally Posted by SahreeYurblu

Thanks Kaurie.. I'm always open to new insight.


I think I'm 28? now or something around there, but yeah, still learning some. My biggest issue with small HP trash pulls is cast time for Fire II. Aside from tanks that don't hold aggro which was quite a few in low level DF. Also crappy healers. One told me "never ever aoe in a dungeon" What????

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lol wow. Yes AoE is huge. It becomes more 'necessary' in higher level dungeons. I'd say that if you're mostly single targeting prior to 28, then you're doing OK. Most tanks are not geared or equipped enough to pull multiple groups, so the largest packs you'll see are 3. Once they pull multiple packs, you can assume they know how to hold hate on them, and go to town on your AoE :)

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That particular healer wanted to cleric stance the entire time. I wound up dead... twice. 2 tanks died once each. Complete wipe 3 times at the end boss. I'm all about the AoE when I can be. It took a while to figure out how far down I can take the MP and have enough to hit tranpose and then Thunder while it comes up. REALLY cool that it's pretty much an unlimited pool, but it makes it easy to yank aggro off a tank that's not up to snuff. I miss magic bursts and skill chains from XI. Although I pulled aggro like crazy there.

well.. then dont do "speed" runs with randoms met by duty finder! o_O

We dont have a time ranking... or special prizes when a dungeon is finished 2-3mins faster.