Byregot's Brow: The most under-rated crafting skill!

For those unaware, Byregot's Brow: Increases quality 150% + 10% for each Inner Quiet stack. 70% success rate. IQ ends on use. Can only be used if Condition is Good or Excellent.

HOLY COW is this awesome!

Okay, let me tell you why. I am a macro-crafter. I spend hours calculating the best possible macros and I consider myself pretty damn good at it. But one of the biggest frustrations was coming up with a 100% HQ macro, only to have it fail because Byregot's Blessing fell on a Poor condition. The answer? Byregot's Brow.

Specifically: Great Strides, Brow, Steady Hand, Blessing.

Here's the breakdown: On the Great Strides turn, if condition is...
- Poor: returns to Normal, Brow doesn't work, Steady Hand has a second chance of getting Good/Excellent for Blessing.
- Normal: Could proc a Good/Excellent for Brow, but if not then SH gives a second chance.
- Good: returns to Normal, which is a shame. Brow doesn't work, SH gives second chance.
- Excellent: what used to be a ball-buster Poor Byregot's is turned on its head. Brow will not go off, moving on to Steady Hand which resets the condition to Normal for your Blessing.

So no matter what happens, you will always have Normal, Good or Excellent on your Byregot's. Say goodbye to Poor Byregot's forever!

Just thought I'd share this with you guys. Hope it helps!

So basically you're using it as "skip a turn unless it's Good Status, in which case process Byregot's Brow". Good plan, saves the CP associated with the "official" skip ability.

Or am I reading it wrong? I don't use macros for crafting as I can never seem to get them to work as described.

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Originally Posted by Niet

I am a macro-crafter. I spend hours calculating the best possible macros and I consider myself pretty damn good at it.

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While I am glad that you are enjoying your macroing, serious crafters do not use macros. They do not need to macro lower level things, and cannot afford to macro the higher level things (things like 2 star crafts).

If your IQ is showing 1-5, then BBrow is going to give more, on a Good/Excellent, than BBlessing, on that same Condition.
If your IQ is showing 6, then BBrow is going to give exactly the same Quality, on a Good/Excellent, as BBlessing, on that same Condition.
If your IQ is showing 7 or higher, then BBlessing will actually return more Quality on a Good/Excellent than BBrow will.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

While I am glad that you are enjoying your macroing, serious crafters do not use macros. They do not need to macro lower level things, and cannot afford to macro the higher level things (things like 2 star crafts).

If your IQ is showing 1-5, then BBrow is going to give more, on a Good/Excellent, than BBlessing, on that same Condition.
If your IQ is showing 6, then BBrow is going to give exactly the same Quality, on a Good/Excellent, as BBlessing, on that same Condition.
If your IQ is showing 7 or higher, then BBlessing will actually return more Quality on a Good/Excellent than BBrow will.

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This is in regards to macro-crafting only. It is a decent way to prevent a poor on Byregots while macroing. This is great for pretty much any macro'd finisher that a poor would result in less then 100% HQ. A lot of serious crafters do use macros, contrary to your belief.

The only craft I currently do not have a macro for is 2 star. Not because I can not afford it, but because I can sell excess HQ mats for enough to pay for the ones I actually use. Everything else is perfectly fine to macro, as it allows me to chat while I craft.

That's actually kinda interesting. I've been getting around it by having an extra step of redundancy, but this'd lemme shave off a few seconds/craft.
But when Blessing is used (as part of the activation cost) it ends the IQ effect, and Brow does likewise too. Regardless of success/fail.
So if you're popping Brow vanilla at 70% and it goes off on a good/excel and subsequently fails, there would be no SH BB fail-state backup because you'd have no IQ stacks.
On poor/normal the game would skip Brow and you'd get an extra chance as intended.
I'd want SH2 running before Brow so this would be +25 cp (+3 sh2, +22 sh after it), and +2s for the extra SH buff. I'm not actually sure if I have that much leeway cp-wise.

x, SH2, GS, Brow, progress/Observe/Inno, Blessing
or SH2, x, GS, Brow, progress/Observe/Inno, Blessing

would be the better option in this case I think, being +3/17/21cp instead. progress being cs2 or ss if it's not a 1-shot finisher.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

While I am glad that you are enjoying your macroing, serious crafters do not use macros. They do not need to macro lower level things, and cannot afford to macro the higher level things (things like 2 star crafts).

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It's not a matter of needing to it's a matter of laziness & multitasking. When I'm bulk crafting I'm sure as shit not doing it by hand because that's unnecessary effort & boring af.

Blessing being better/worse is irrelevant to what the usage he's suggesting is - macro only, and for consistency via dodging BB + poor.
Brow on good is going to be more than Blessing on normal/poor at any equivalent # of stacks, which is the only way it's firing off at all.

Regarding the use of macros in high-level crafts, I actually use a macro for my 2-star crafts and they have yet to fail me since adopting this "double Byregot's" finisher. The cost, of course, is I had to cap every possible CP, although since improving my Craft/Control I've been able to lessen that requirement. Now I "only" need 414CP + Baked Onion Soup! :D

Regarding the 70% thing, yes if Brow fails then you lose your IQ entirely for no gain. However, just make sure your rotation allows for Steady Hand II to have one turn left when it comes time to Brow. 100% success rate ^^

Other than that, Rath and hqdm have answered Roth's issues just fine :)

I have been tinker with similar macros choices only with Basic Touch and Precise Touch. The CP cost is the same but I just hate that have to change my macro lines FROM:
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>

TO:
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch"
/wait 3

This significantly increase my macro length and requires me to press 3 buttons instead of 1 for an HQ mats macros.
Most often I just say forget it, and use /ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3> allowing me extra touches, and fewer button presses at the expense of RNG.


OP, I love the finisher idea for brow. And will definitely be adding it to my macros.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch"
/wait 3

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Have you tried:

/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>

Granted it still takes two lines, but I've found that I can't squeeze Lv51-60 rotations into a single macro anyway, but with the Precise/Basic it fits nicely in two.

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Originally Posted by Niet

Have you tried:

/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>

Granted it still takes two lines, but I've found that I can't squeeze Lv51-60 rotations into a single macro anyway, but with the Precise/Basic it fits nicely in two.

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Nope, it never occurred to me that the <wait.3> would be honoured, as it would be on the line that the command will not function due to cool down from precise touch.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

Nope, it never occurred to me that the <wait.3> would be honoured, as it would be on the line that the command will not function due to cool down from precise touch.

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The <wait.3> command should work regardless of whether the preceding action processed or not. I say should but I don't use crafting macros. I know that the macro I have for setting my fairy to certain modes still honours the wait even if the action can't be processed for whatever reason.

I absolutely use macros for anything lower than level 55. When you can get 100% HQ off of 2 button presses instead of 25, it's kind of a no-brainer.

I sometimes use macros myself, especially when crafting in bulk where a few NQ results won't really upset me. I might try this tip out for though, since more HQs would be nicer.

For long-running macros where you need 2-3 macros due to the 15 command limit per macro, I have a few tips to make them easy to keep up with.

What I do is have 4 hotbars (I'll call them #1-4 for this example) that I don't normally have visible on the screen, then I set up the first macro in the process on one of them. Then my macros looks like this:

/hotbar change 4
/ac "crafting skill" <wait.3>
...
/ac "last crafting skill" <wait.3>
/echo "Press step 2" <se.3>
/hotbar change 2

hotbar 1 has the first step, hotbar 2 has the second step in the same slot, hotbar 3 has the third step in the same slot, and hotbar 4 is actually empty.
So the last command needs to change to the hotbar of the next step in the process. The last step can change back to the hotbar for the first step so that this can be ready for the next craft. You can even set the sound effect to be different for the last step so that you can have a better cue for yourself that you need to interact with the crafting window.

Essentially, this setup lets you just mash the crafting button and listen to the sound effect cues as you do whatever.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

While I am glad that you are enjoying your macroing, serious crafters do not use macros. They do not need to macro lower level things, and cannot afford to macro the higher level things (things like 2 star crafts).

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Uh, what? I craft several hours a day and let me tell you there's no way I'm sitting there making every food manually. I have no-brainer one button macros for level 50 and below stuff, a 2 button macro for level 51-59, and a 2 button macro for level 60. A friend recently pointed me to a reliable 3 button macro for crafting 1 star items, and I'm in absolute heaven. :3

Y'all keep mentioning these great macros but none of you are putting out. Come on, deliver me some sugar; macros please. :3

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Y'all keep mentioning these great macros but none of you are putting out. Come on, deliver me some sugar; macros please. :3

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It really depends on your gear though, idk the minimum stats required for mine because I just swap them up as I go.
I also dunno how efficient they are. I have the cp already so I didn't really worry about minmaxing them.

/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend II"
--pt2--
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Brow"
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"

I use that1 for L55-60 (462cp). If Brow triggers it skips the cs2 after it, otherwise cs2 fires. On non-60 stuff 1cs2 + SS is enough to complete it, so it ends early; 1 extra cs2 for L60 stuff, 1 extra for Brow redundancy.

/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <wait.2>
/echo <se.1><se.2>
--pt2--
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Precise Touch"
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>

440cp crawler silk & it's ilk

/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand" <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
/ac "Advanced Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"

xpots + 51-54

As you wish, here's my macro for all "materials" crafts up to Lv59:

Part 1:
/ac "Comfort Zone" <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/echo Part 2! <se.1>

Part 2:
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Brow" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"

So yeah, basically mashes Basic Touch a bunch of times, then two-shotting the item (which is why chrysolite fails). The reason for splitting it there is because my "Lv60 gear" macro branches off from there.

I have other macros for everything up to and including 2-star, but they might not do you much good :p
My stats: 818 Craft, 790 Control, 422 CP before food

It will be interesting to see how delineations affect things from here on. Synths might end up being better to build an IQ stack of 5, hit brow, build another stack of 5, hit brow again, and then finish with a third brow, or a BB on a 7-9 stack. 14 or 19 IQ stacks may sound like a lot, but remember that if you end up using two delineations in a synth, that's is potentially a LOT of precise touches. It's interesting to think about anyway. RIght now, delineations aren't too necessary unless a synth is going horribly wrong for you, in which case it seems like most ppl prefer to risk a reclaim, but they could become fun.