Esoteric Upgrade/Alexander Weapons after 3.1 patch

I am pretty sure this has been discussed before, but I was very curious. Since Alexander Savage (infact, Savage 4) is the only place where you can actually grab upgrades for any Gordian outfit/accessories, then AS4 for Eso weapon upgrades and Gordian weapon - would you see these drops being implemented as weekly quest for the upgrade by doing Normal Alexander or actually see Echo + Nerf for Savage mode?
In all honesty, we've seen many contents being nerfed and given opportunities for casual and regular players to earn their gears. I am aware 2nd Coil Savage back in ARR was not nerfed, but the gear drops made no difference from the regular one except the fights were challenging.
What does everyone think?

They're probably going to add in a way to get the eso weapon Horade item soonish. If not, we'll see it in 3.2. If I recall correctly they wanted to start with the non-weapon items and wait for an appropriate time to add the weapon item. The items to upgrade the armour and accessories is easy to get at least, so that's something.

1. You can't "upgrade" Gordian pieces. They are their own gear. They will never add actual raid gear to some weekly. Only the upgrade items for tome gear. Just like they did with coil

2. They said the decision to add Gobdip (to upgrade Eso weapons) will be dependent on Thordan clear rate for next patch at least. They'll eventually add it but just when is unclear

I really would like to get my hands on Gordian Sword, but finding static has become such a pain since the timing is very bad for me and it's not flexible for lot of people. Like majority of static is AS3+ too x_X. Let's hope that they'll do something fair for us casual players at least.

I don't think they should implement the Gobdip until 3.18 at the earliest to be honest, give the Anima weapons some longevity.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

I don't think they should implement the Gobdip until 3.18 at the earliest to be honest, give the Anima weapons some longevity.

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Even if they were to add gobdip in the next patch with the relic weapons, the relic weapons will have far greater longevity than an upgraded esoteric weapon. I imagine the new relic weapon will be 210 or 215 after the quest is complete, and will be upgraded through more quests later in time. If gobdip becomes available through some means in 3.15 it will mostly be for people who don't want to go through the grind for their relic weapon, be it for their alt or their main job.

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Originally Posted by AhoyCaptain

Even if they were to add gobdip in the next patch with the relic weapons, the relic weapons will have far greater longevity than an upgraded esoteric weapon. I imagine the new relic weapon will be 210 or 215 after the quest is complete, and will be upgraded through more quests later in time. If gobdip becomes available through some means in 3.15 it will mostly be for people who don't want to go through the grind for their relic weapon, be it for their alt or their main job.

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From the speculation I've read the relic weapon is going to be i210, but we don't know yet. I think you're failing to see my point though, upgrading the weapon once again takes yet another long grind, that's not longevity, that's almost grinding out another weapon. By the time it can be upgraded to i220 the Gobdip 2.0 will be implemented in The Sky Pirate Saga and again, we're back to the same situation. Alt's do not need close to BiS weapons either, to my knowledge anyway. I'm of the belief that BiS weapons should require some effort, don't want to grind the Anima weapon? Then there's Thordan, by implementing Gobdip you're also invalidating content that's barely 1.5 months old at that point.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

From the speculation I've read the relic weapon is going to be i210, but we don't know yet. I think you're failing to see my point though, upgrading the weapon once again takes yet another long grind, that's not longevity, that's almost grinding out another weapon. By the time it can be upgraded to i220 the Gobdip 2.0 will be implemented in The Sky Pirate Saga and again, we're back to the same situation. Alt's do not need close to BiS weapons either, to my knowledge anyway. I'm of the belief that BiS weapons should require some effort, don't want to grind the Anima weapon? Then there's Thordan, by implementing Gobdip you're also invalidating content that's barely 1.5 months old at that point.

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Using a weapon for several patch cycles is longevity though. No current weapon will be more relevant than the new relic weapon for such a long period.
And the new Relic weapon will have already invalidated Thordan even if it comes out to be i210. And even if the relic weapon ends at i210 (which I doubt) with 3.15 it will probably still be BiS over anything else available. I doubt that they would make you go through the grind of making your relic weapon and then have it's secondary stats be something that is incompatible with the best possible stat build you could have. Meaning gobdip will still be used only for alt jobs unless you're a person who doesn't feel like doing the relic grind.

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Originally Posted by AhoyCaptain

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What your missing is that once 3.15 hits we'll have 3 different weapons that go to 210. Eso, Alex Savage, and the Relic. Alex Savage takes a lot of skill to clear all 4 floors then however many weeks it takes you to get your weapon drop. The relic weapon will more then likely take a couple of weeks to grind out before it finally reaches its final stage at 210. Where as the Eso weapon takes 2 weeks to get the tomes for then in that time you would also be able to get the upgrade item (if it existed in Void Ark). Therefore you can upgrade Eso weapon depending on Thordan clears. Not everyone can do Alex Savage, not everyone wants to grind a Relic. So they can get Thordan weapons. Hopefully you understand how this will work now.

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Originally Posted by AhoyCaptain

Using a weapon for several patch cycles is longevity though. No current weapon will be more relevant than the new relic weapon for such a long period.
And the new Relic weapon will have already invalidated Thordan even if it comes out to be i210. And even if the relic weapon ends at i210 (which I doubt) with 3.15 it will probably still be BiS over anything else available. I doubt that they would make you go through the grind of making your relic weapon and then have it's secondary stats be something that is incompatible with the best possible stat build you could have. Meaning gobdip will still be used only for alt jobs unless you're a person who doesn't feel like doing the relic grind.

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So brace yourself coz not all anima weapons will be bis just like it was in 2.x uuntil players eventualy make them by grinding and materia implementing.

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Originally Posted by ArcyEvil

So brace yourself coz not all anima weapons will be bis just like it was in 2.x uuntil players eventualy make them by grinding and materia implementing.

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My AF2 spear is already a crapy Crit/SkS combo. Even a Set/SkS combo would be preferable. And if it's Der/Crit like my Longenous Zeta was then I'll have ZERO reason to go to Alexander Savage or to run Thorden EX past the 1st clear.

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That's exactly the purpose Thordan EX weapons will serve, weapons for alts. When Esoteric weapons were introduced people were still running Ravana Extreme for quite a long time due to gear up their alts, add another option and for that and Thordan EX will be dead before it's had time to even stay a little, similar to Bismarck EX. Besides, I fail to see a reason why an alt class would require i210. You're also failing to see that each upgrade for the relic weapon is a far larger grind than most other weapons, thus invalidating the claim that the weapon has a lot of longevity. It would be similar to claiming that the Law weapon had a lot of longevity due to the Esoteric weapon, they're both tomestone weapons, right? The only difference with the Anima is that you have to give up your older weapon.

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Originally Posted by Daenarys_Targaryen

What your missing is that once 3.15 hits we'll have 3 different weapons that go to 210. Eso, Alex Savage, and the Relic. Alex Savage takes a lot of skill to clear all 4 floors then however many weeks it takes you to get your weapon drop. The relic weapon will more then likely take a couple of weeks to grind out before it finally reaches its final stage at 210. Where as the Eso weapon takes 2 weeks to get the tomes for then in that time you would also be able to get the upgrade item (if it existed in Void Ark). Therefore you can upgrade Eso weapon depending on Thordan clears. Not everyone can do Alex Savage, not everyone wants to grind a Relic. So they can get Thordan weapons. Hopefully you understand how this will work now.

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I'm not missing that. I'm saying that the relic weapon will be the greater weapon of the 3 and the other two will be irrelevant. I already understand what you guys are saying. But the relic weapon will make the previous weapons obsolete. That's how it always is.

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Originally Posted by ArcyEvil

So brace yourself coz not all anima weapons will be bis just like it was in 2.x uuntil players eventualy make them by grinding and materia implementing.

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I already said that the other players that don't want to do the grind will be using the other 210 options available. I'm full aware of the necessity of grinding the quests. Hence my posts talking about how the players who grinded the weapon will have the best weapons and the other ones will be irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

That's exactly the purpose Thordan EX weapons will serve, weapons for alts. When Esoteric weapons were introduced people were still running Ravana Extreme for quite a long time due to gear up their alts, add another option and for that and Thordan EX will be dead before it's had time to even stay a little, similar to Bismarck EX. Besides, I fail to see a reason why an alt class would require i210. You're also failing to see that each upgrade for the relic weapon is a far larger grind than most other weapons, thus invalidating the claim that the weapon has a lot of longevity. It would be similar to claiming that the Law weapon had a lot of longevity due to the Esoteric weapon, they're both tomestone weapons, right? The only difference with the Anima is that you have to give up your older weapon.

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No. That is the purpose that Thordan weapons serve right now. And sure, for players who have undesirable stats on their eso weapon, they may just skip the upgraded eso weapon and use the thordan weapon. But that will be a small percentage considering the soon to be BiS relic weapon.
Also, there are plenty of players who gear their alt jobs to be the best that they could possibly be. If you can upgrade your alt's weapon, why wouldn't you? That's a bit of ridiculous reasoning on your part. There are players who have alts with 210 weapons on all of them right now. If they need to go into savage with a different party makeup they can.

And I am not failing to see that the relic weapon is a grind. But to say that it is a larger grind than all other weapons is also foolish. Why don't you go clear alexander savage 4 eight times for your weapon and tell me how long that took you to grind it out. Then do your relic and let's see what you have first. The relic grind will be much shorter, I assure you. And just because you have to grind it doesn't mean that it doesn't have longevity. That's exactly why it will have longevity. The relic weapon will drop in a couple weeks and you will do the grind. And through the next several patch cycles if you keep up on it, you will still be using your relic weapon. That is literally the meaning of longevity.