Dark Knight flaws that need to be addressed and fixed

Ok so here are the problems that Dark Knights have

1.First living dead is a problem for dark knights because even in easy dungeons they still die with living dead
2.Darkside does not have the visual effects(black flames) in which the advertisement promised so it was very disappointing
3.The way Dark knight feels like hes very slow and doesn’t even feel like a heavy job but Warrior feels like a awesome, heavy and, fast tank.
4.Another problem is that Dark Knight is more squishy than Paladin AND Warrior
5.From the recent update Dark Knights have become slower

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I agree. The animations need work and very minor upgrades to there actions and traits. The animations and sounds need rework to "feel" like your using a greatsword.

Drk isnt squishy at all, and it didnt get slower

Still working on drk, will be 58 tonight. It took a little getting used to living dead, but now I like it more than holmgang since it doesn't have that root effect. It's still kinda hit or miss whether or not it will save you, but at least it doesn't root you into aoe. Sometimes I notice it doesn't seem like living dead does anything, but I think if you don't actually "die" it just falls off without walking dead activating?

I don't recall seeing the original effect, but it probably would've been toned down anyways, like they toned down the current effect. I don't think it's a big deal, most all games have some differences between when they are announced and actually released. Drk is still drk whether crimson or black flames.

I'm constantly running out of TP on boss fights. Maybe I have too much skill speed at this point, but war feels infinitely slower at times, like I can't build wrath or get an IB fast enough. Drk doesn't have that level of anticipation on it's abilities. Plus, I can jump every 30 sec just like drg (actually better since it doesn't have the same animation lock as jump)

Drk is super-tough most of the time. I feel like there are lot more CDs to cycle through, plus delerium and reprisal for some mitigation. Skin, wall, dance, mind, conv, foresight, awareness, blind effect, LD. And you can buff dance and mind to make them better. So, even though I've only done dungeons so far on Drk, pretty much every pull I feel invincible with all these CDs.

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Originally Posted by DracoDragniel

1.First living dead is a problem for dark knights because even in easy dungeons they still die with living dead
2.Darkside does not have the visual effects(black flames) in which the advertisement promised so it was very disappointing
3.The way Dark knight feels like hes very slow and doesn’t even feel like a heavy job but Warrior feels like a awesome, heavy and, fast tank.
4.Another problem is that Dark Knight is more squishy than Paladin AND Warrior
5.From the recent update Dark Knights have become slower

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While Living Dead is a cool type of ability, it does suffer a bit compared to the other two "oh shit" buttons, besides Holmgang I think. Causes quite the panic on healers and it pretty hard to notice unless you have a macro going out that announces it (and loudly!). However if used right, can gain you a few extra seconds of invincibility with could be vital or downright godly in some phases. It's really all on the timing and the healers you are grouped with.

Darkside effect? Meh. Don't get me wrong, I would love a cool effect on it besides what we currently have now (or some others that were mentioned in the "Darkside hurts my eyes" thread), but as it is now is just fine. They may put the flames on something else in the future, so look forward to it.

DRK seems "slow" to me only while locked into Grit, but once you be become more accustomed to it and start feeling more comfortable, you can then drop Grit, pop Blood Weapon, and then go crazy. Speed isn't a issue there. I will agree though that some animations need some changing, like for example Soul Eater, which....shouldn't look the way it does...and it should absorb HP REGARDLESS if your in Grit or not. It should be something like Power Slash. Have you ever watched the animation for that in slow motion? Looks damn impressive, and you definitely "feel" that hit xD

All in all, DRK is in a good place right now. Are there things that can be changed? Sure. But when used correctly, is just as tanky as the other two. Hell, WARS can be squishy as well, just look at some of those posts on the Duty Finder thread, just depends on the skill level of the person behind the controls, not the job itself.

You should probably edit your thread to indicate these are problems YOU have with dark knight.
I have experienced none of these issues and/or do not see them as problems at all.

Possible PEBCAK situation.

This is why we need a dislike button.

From what I've seen some other people say in previous threads, the dark flames looked really awesome while standing still...and like absolute garbage otherwise. So if they add em back it should be after making moving with it on look better.

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Originally Posted by DracoDragniel

Ok so here are the problems that Dark Knights have
1.First living dead is a problem for dark knights because even in easy dungeons they still die with living dead
2.Darkside does not have the visual effects(black flames) in which the advertisement promised so it was very disappointing
3.The way Dark knight feels like hes very slow and doesn’t even feel like a heavy job but Warrior feels like a awesome, heavy and, fast tank.
4.Another problem is that Dark Knight is more squishy than Paladin AND Warrior
5.From the recent update Dark Knights have become slower

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1.) Living Dead is underwhelming to use, and may not feel as powerful as the other 2 (Holmgang, Hallowed), But it has its uses and you will still have to use it correctly in situations where it calls for it.
2.) I think people just need to give it up. Things change all the time, and it was changed for a reason. If you don't like the current animation, turn it off.
3.) It really isn't very slow. The animations might seem "Slow", but the actual way the class is played, isn't any faster or slower than other tanks.
4.) If -You're- squishy I think you might need to fix your play style or gear. Any tank not in tank stance will get creamed, and any tank in dps accs will be low on HP. (save for war with defiance)
5.) Read #3

The devs have already answered your second point OP, they felt that the dark flames would look unnatural especially while mounted, so they changed the effect.

I don't understand why people complain about a job/class when they yet to have really played it. Your Drk is 31, mine is at 60. And I've done Bismark EX/All of Alex with Drk with NO ISSUES. I'm not 'hardcore' like people who have done A4S, but I have a FC member who has, as well as Thordain EX, and I've never heard an issue from him about it.

Also there are a lot of Drks who refuse to use both Darkside/Grit at the same time, let alone even using just one of them at points. With both up you do 95% of your normal damage. Warrior and Paladin have a bigger decrease in their damage output with tank skills up. All Drk has to worry about is their MP usage, which I will say that I see a LOT of players not know what the bloody hell they're doing and just let Darkside run out time and time again due to horrible MP usage.

It's kind of hard to take people seriously when they complain about/make suggestions for other classes they have yet to play (With the new classes, I honestly blame SE for LETTING us start at level 30, so a lot of people don't know what the hell they're doing)

I main DRK and I have done some endgame. I have never had any of these problems. I think DRK is fine just the way it is. Sure, it I would like to see some buffs. But I don't think anything you mentioned makes the job broken. I agree with Bacent, they should have had the new jobs start at level 1. That would have helped so many people learn how to play these jobs. When I was leveling DRK I actually went through and did all the dungeons starting with Sastasha and worked my way up, just so I could work with all the skills.

I'm not finding any real issues with DRK. Mine is only 59 but I plan to hit 60 today.

I have no problem with using the living dead. Normally I use it, and get boosted back up to full anyways. Being a white mage getting a dark knight back up isn't that big of an issue, if they do need it I usually do my burst heal / PoM and they're good to go.

I never cared about the darkside effect. Sometimes I do but normally I don't notice it with all the extra stuff going on. The black flames would just get lost in all that's already going on. Now idle standing around I do admit that the darkside bugs my eyes, but I just turn it off. I imagine that flames would do the same thing.

Friend of mine said DRK feels very slow. It's about the animation, at least what I've noticed, I'm trying to level all 3 just got addicted to DRK. PLD felt faster but I realized it was because he's swinging his sword faster..that's all.

I've never had issues with healing a DRK because he was a DRK. This is strictly from a healers standpoint as a SCH / WHM and now playing AST. The issue is gear and people being so used to being over powered. They have STR gear that lowers their HP while at the same time their iLV is still under for the dungeon mixed with them pulling more mobs than what their VIT at that time can handle. I've been guilty of this and I've caught plenty of tanks who are as they level up. I've had to go back and get some more gear or switch that STR with VIT or...slow...down? Don't pull 12 mobs...otherwise you-sa people gunna die.

1. Living Dead is a weak alternative to Hallowed Ground and Holmgang in PUG situations because healers are not required to know what the icon means, and some healers are more suited to removing Walking Dead than others. Honestly, the biggest issue is that Living Dead is not an ability you control in the end. This is fine in a controlled static situation, but in dungeons it gets hairy.

2. This is hardly something that needs to be fixed.

3. At 60, you have so many oGCDs and things to keep track of... how can this feel like a slow tank, aside from the animations? Paladin plays slow. Dark Knight does not.

4. Dark Knight has strengths and weaknesses in CDs much like Paladin and Warrior do. I personally believe the class could use some work, but they are definitely not a "weak" class or a "squishy" tank when played correctly.

5. What are you even talking about?

I feel what a lot of people miss on this is dark knight tank is sort of a hybrid of Warrior and a Paladin and unless they are familiar with both they don't see the aspects of it. Does it attack slower then pally yes but it has slightly less then delay then warrior on main hand attacks so its a hair faster then warrior in that aspect. is it gonna be squishier then paladin and warrior? from lvl 45-49 probably since you don't get Artifact gear like paladin and warrior did. Paladin has a shield which overrides parry first and then parry on top of it. Warrior has only parry like Dark knight. Warrior has a higher hp pool in tank stance then Dark knight or paladin . Paladin and dark knight have huge damage reduction in tank stance compared to warrior. Dark knight and Warrior have life steal paladin does not. You just have to remember the class has its differences and find the best way to work with what it has.