FFXIV 2.0 ... or FAILURE 2.0?

I undestand money is needed to continue what must be a very expensive revamp of fundamental game systems. However, I do not think that FFXIV is ready to ask customers for their money, given the current state of the game. The biggest problem here is that the game experience / functionality is simply not ready for primetime.

CASE IN POINT:

• After yesterday's patch, I hopped on and got ready to do a Darkhold run.
• Showed up with full PT, tried to enter instance. Upon entry, was given the old (40000)4 error. My char was now stuck inside Darkhold, unplayable. For the 3rd time since starting FFXIV, a patch had corrupted my game data.
• Attempted to uninstall with a "Catastropic Failure" prohibiting that.
• Manually deleted the FFXIV / My Games directories.
• Tried to reinstall - seemed OK
• After complete reinstall, redownload of patch data, the updater failed at the last moment with 20564 (another indication of a corrupted patch attempt).
• Tried to uninstall. Uninstall failed again.
• This time, I could not reinstall or uninstall, I was stuck, with no recourse or path to take to try to get the game working again.

Because I am an IT person, I manually searched the registry, deleted all the keys referencing FFXIV, and successfully reinstalled. The average user, however, cannot be expected to this.

Fundamental features like an updater MUST work before expecting average users to pay money for a game. Therefore, they can try to take people's money, but I predict FAILURE 2.0 instead of FFXIV 2.0.

Most people don't know what's going on at SE but any software engineer can tell you that SE is developing FFXIV under a software engineering model that purposely throws out a bunch of crappy version so they can get customer feedback and build another crappy version from the feedback untill they decide to release a final version. Customers feedback, even the ones that troll, plays a very improtant role because the feedback is key to reducing the chance of overall failure. I mean that was the point of the software engineering model anyway, to reduce overall failure.

But with that said, I don't beleive in charging my customers for a product that is incomplete unless I despretly needed the funds. The final problem now is that FFXIV has lost so many customers that all thats left playing FFXIV are hardcore fans so you're not getting feedback from the full spectrum of customers. Another reason FFXIV should remain free because that money barrier is going to get in the way of rebuilding the lost trust, or they can just risk investing money in advertisements lol.

i believe we're being charge for the content that is being brought for 1.21 (jobs and more content), 1.22 and 1.23, afterwards when 2.0 launch we'll be getting another 1 free month.

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Fundamental features like an updater MUST work

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And it obviously does, otherwise nobody would be able to play.

If it doesn't work for someone, it's a sub fee lost for SE. It's pretty basic logic right there.

It's the customer's choice.

Good job on bringin up a thread almost a month old wtfail, /clap.

Troll thread

it must be a troll thread your in it.
there is so much that needs fixed in this game, and it pisses people off to hear about it, keep up the good work OP

seriously? are we doing this again? -_-;;


to the OP, who probably doesn't care anymore since this is a necro, looking at your series of events and how often they occur, I'd almost say you may want to check out your system first, the problems with uninstalling especially rings the alarm bells. Since you say you work in the IT field, I assume you've already done that. At which point, I'm not sure what to tell ya. The lack of any wide-spread complaints suggests that this is not something that happens very often, and at least from my personal experience, most cases of corruption/patching issues from online games tends to be user-side issues.

i can see where the OP is coming from. you can't really be expected to take out a 6 month sub only to have an update that will cause this problem, and stop you ever getting back in. this needs to be fixed

however this problem will not be happening with 2.0 i'm sure. it will be a new server and a new engine, SE knows there are problems right now, problems i guess that can't be fix with the system we have. that's why 2.0 is being made in the first place. so to say 2.0 is a failure. wrong

P.S. in the live letter from the producer. at the end they suggested they are looking into the amount we are charged. so its not like they are not listening or trying to please the customer while at the same time clawing back some of their loses

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Originally Posted by irongripz

it must be a troll thread your in it.
there is so much that needs fixed in this game, and it pisses people off to hear about it, keep up the good work OP

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Im sorry but callling 2.0 a failure in point blank when its not even here yet, is trolling.

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it must be a troll thread your in it.

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I could say the same thing back, since people do that all the time here :/.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Im sorry but callling 2.0 a failure in point blank when its not even here yet, is trolling.



I could say the same thing back, since people do that all the time here :/.

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it was a prediction not a statement, you look at every thread like these your on the front page with nothing useful to say. i guess having a different opinion than yours = trolling? yea i can do that to. learn what a troll is, or better yet just look in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

seriously? are we doing this again? -_-;;


to the OP, who probably doesn't care anymore since this is a necro

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Its actually 1 day away from Necro.... Today is the 13th... there is a 1 month necro requirement... lol

To the OP... are you sure the error message didn't read "Why the hell are you doing the Darkhold after 1.19?"

I've been playing since launch and I've never had a corrupted patch.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I've been playing since launch and I've never had a corrupted patch.

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Neither have I... but since since the OP is an "IT" you have to know that with anything you download from ANY site, you always run the risk of the downloaded file being corrupt. Come on...
It could be anything from your ISP, packet loss, RAM, HDD...
Neither I, nor anyone I know have had that problem, so throwing accusations (on a problem that could very well not be SE's fault) is kind of irresponsible...
But then again, here we are on an internet forum talking about responsibility... that's my bad

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I've been playing since launch and I've never had a corrupted patch.

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me neither, but those things does happen, it's just the nature of PC in generally, you have a crap ton of variables all the way from your connection to hdd that can cause these issues.

edit: great, now rydin just have to go and beat me to make my post look redundant :P

@OP You might want to check your hard drive for bad sectors if you haven't already

My brother downloaded the game through torrent because I damaged my install disk and he wanted to use my buddy pass and he had the same problem. Maybe try buying the game and see how that goes. :P

Cause that's what he ended up doing and everything was fine.

Yeah, I've clean installed XIV on so many PCs for friends/family/stores that I've yet to encounter an issue.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

me neither, but those things does happen, it's just the nature of PC in generally, you have a crap ton of variables all the way from your connection to hdd that can cause these issues.

edit: great, now rydin just have to go and beat me to make my post look redundant :P

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You're still the man though

sure you didnt get your patch download off a torrent?
IT poeople dont ask for tech help in gameforums >.>

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Originally Posted by indira

sure you didnt get your patch download off a torrent?
IT poeople dont ask for tech help in gameforums >.>

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I dont think he ask but rather he complain about thing had been know for...a year already ?

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Originally Posted by irongripz

it was a prediction not a statement, you look at every thread like these your on the front page with nothing useful to say. i guess having a different opinion than yours = trolling? yea i can do that to. learn what a troll is, or better yet just look in the mirror.

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I have to agree with call it trolling as "the-thing-you-call-predict" is a troll bait

friendly hint: take your time re-read the road map

SE is moving to a new client with 2.0 There is a good chance they will be moving away from the current patch system which is horrific.

To the OP, yes it's happened to me as well with a new high end PC. Took me 4 times of uninstalling reinstalling to get it to work. Now the first time I installed it at launch there were no problems. But since then, I installed it on a new pc and it did exactly as you said.

You can't change the fact that this DL client is garbage. Otherwise people wouldn't be using other means to obtain the data. SE needs to realize this. They are a business first and foremost, losing one customer may not seem like a big deal to some of you but I can guarantee it is to them. That customer will sway his friends or people he knows not to buy this game. You think SE likes only having like 20k possible subscribers? I'm sure they would much rather have millions.

FAILURE 2.0?!

HAHA I C WAT U DID THAR!

U SO CLEVAR!!!

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Originally Posted by irongripz

it was a prediction not a statement, you look at every thread like these your on the front page with nothing useful to say. i guess having a different opinion than yours = trolling? yea i can do that to. learn what a troll is, or better yet just look in the mirror.

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Why would I need to look in a mirror if i'm looking at one? :o

Edit: What the OP said within his post was fine for him to say, ( He had a problem couldn't fix it blah blah, though this post really should be in the Technical forums, but that's neither here nor there). What I do have an issue with is that, He's calling the game itself a fail weather it be now or 2.0. Predication/statement which ever words you like to call it. Saying " 2.0 is going to fail" is outright a trolling statement.

Hey everyone,

Thanks for the comments. Because the topic is also being discussed in other threads at the moment, I'm going to close this one out. Thank you for understanding.