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Gaius Van Baelsar...
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11-22-2015, 11:18 AMSonKevinGaius Van Baelsar...
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11-22-2015, 11:19 AMAskaRay
LEAVE GAUIS ALONE
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11-22-2015, 11:19 AMKurogaeaDidn't he try to kill us?Quote:
Originally Posted by SonKevin
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11-22-2015, 11:24 AMSonKevinMostly because we were misguided. The idea of trapping the primals is better than putting us in a constant battle with them. Can you imagine if Titan extreme mode didn't exist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
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11-22-2015, 11:41 AMMilesSaintboroguh
Oh joy, it's this again.
Balmung is still open if you want to RP as a garlean. -
11-22-2015, 11:42 AMMisterLucieThen I wouldn't have a pony.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonKevin
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11-22-2015, 11:47 AMKurogaeaOh right, I remember that. I think they tried to tell him it was a bad idea because it would just cause the same thing with Bahamut being sealed for years and unleashing intense rage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonKevin
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11-22-2015, 11:48 AMDracotheDragonQuote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
BALUMNG? OPEN? YOU LIE SIR,
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11-22-2015, 11:52 AMEnkidoh
Gaius destroyed Ala Mhigo (figuratively, he stirred up trouble behind the scenes causing their last king to purge their military leaving them vulnerable while at the same time stoking unrest among the civilian population to overthrow him, thus leaving the nation utterly powerless for him to move in and take over). RP wise he was therefore responsible for the deaths of my character's parents. He slaughtered the Ala Mhigan Resistance wholesale, he shot my Path Companion (and went to shoot me as well if Yda hadn't jumped in and saved me at the last moment).
His only saving grace was he saw Dalamud for what it was, an abomination, but even then he only resisted Nael's plans for Project Meteor simply because he wanted a land to conquer. Hells, everything he did in ARR was actually without the approval of Garlemald itself! Solus was living on borrowed time, and thus he knew that he had to position himself quickly in order to weather the inevitable civil war that would result when Solus passed on, and finally bringing Eorzea to heel would accomplish that. He might have been the lesser of two evils compared to Nael, buthe was still a bastard whom I am not mourning (assuming SE doesn't pull a 'never found the body' trick and bring him back alive at a later date). He can rot in the seventh hell. ><
Also the thing about him supposedly being more virtuous because he was determined to seal the Primals rather than endlessly fighting them only made him a massive hypocrite because he teamed up with the very force responsible for the beast tribes summoning in the first place! The moment he allied with Lahabrea he destroyed any credibility he had.
Actually I've been seeing quite a few newbies on Balmung lately so I guess the gates have opened now (at least briefly). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DracotheDragon
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11-22-2015, 11:58 AMSoldowner
He attacked me. That was his mistake.
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11-22-2015, 12:07 PMAverax
He ate my last oreo.
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11-22-2015, 12:14 PMRickXRolled
He was a boss I had to fight to unlock darklight gear.
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11-22-2015, 12:33 PMSonKevinYeah, but what was Ala Mhigo doing anyway? Nothing. They were kind of just there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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11-22-2015, 12:48 PMDragonSlayer45
I want his armor/longcoat. Please give me his armor/longcoat.
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11-22-2015, 12:51 PMmandodo69
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11-22-2015, 12:52 PMRoegadyn_Bear
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...015_174312.png
I want Rihtahtyn sas Arvina's armor. -
11-22-2015, 12:59 PMReclusiveMageI wonder what clan this dude was from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear
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11-22-2015, 01:00 PMAskaRayRihtahtyn is a sea wolf name...soQuote:
Originally Posted by ReclusiveMage
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11-22-2015, 01:51 PMEulHe must be Lalafell!Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
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11-22-2015, 02:03 PMTheodricAla Mhigo would have likely continued to attack the rest of Eorzea if not for Garlemald's intervention anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonKevin
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11-22-2015, 02:55 PMVejjiegirlThe Irony of it allQuote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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11-22-2015, 03:09 PMTheodricIf we do visit Ala Mhigo - which seems likely - then I do hope the lore team highlight how volatile the Ala Mhigans actually are. They did a great job at making the Ishgardians and Ul'dahns very morally dubious (but not without some redeeming qualities) so I'd love to see the same thing applied elsewhere. Plus it'd be cool to have more Garleans who are more like Gabranth and Drace from FFXII. The sort that, whilst loyal to their homeland, we can work alongside and ally with. The Garleans deserve more than being fodder for quests, raids and dungeons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl
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11-22-2015, 03:30 PMLystAPIf I recall from the MNK quest chain, Gaius didn't have to do all that much. The King of Ala Mhigo was already a paranoid ass for quite some time; it was inevitable that he would crack, and the Garleans at Ala Mhigo's door only exacerbated it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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11-22-2015, 03:33 PMGaiussenpai
I actually rewatch the 1.0 cut scene every now and then because I don't really have a soft spot for the resistance.
Bonus twist plot is after 15 years they go back to Ala Mhigo and the native population are content under garlean rule oh break down of some members would be priceless. -
11-22-2015, 03:50 PMPArcherI think Gaius helped to make him paranoid and start that whole mess up. If the Monks were still around, Gaius would have had a TON of trouble taking the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by LystAP
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11-22-2015, 03:52 PMTheodricThat's what I'm counting on. Let's not forget that Ilberd saw fit to betray Ul'dah's ruler in the name of 'Ala Mhigo'. How many other atrocities will be committed in the attempt to reclaim the nation? Realistically many of those living there will not want to be 'liberated' - they'll want safety, security and prosperity. Ishgard was 'saved' from 'tyranny' and things have become very chaotic in the aftermath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaiussenpai
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11-22-2015, 04:02 PMLystAPThe thing is while there are a ton of good Ala Mhigans fighting against Garlean; it feels like a fair proportion would probably never stop fighting. The moment they take the city, they'll purge it, resulting in more bloodshed. The city's been occupied for more than a decade now and supposedly Gaius was a decent ruler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Many of the Ala Mhigan refugees appear to be more of economic refugees these days than actually persecuted, especially under Gaius who did not tolerate discrimination in his ranks; although there's no knowing what the current governor of Ala Mhigo is doing. -
11-22-2015, 04:13 PMEnkidoh
Tell that to the countless Ala Mhigans who managed to escape the city and who actually experienced first hand Gaius's 'benevolent' rule - where children are not only forcibly removed from their parents to become new soldiers for the Empire (hint: pretty much all the grunt troops we have to fight in the game are actually draftees from Ala Mhigo), they're actually brainwashed into becoming beastmen-hating zealots, where if you're not lucky enough to be drafted as a soldier, you're pretty much enslaved to toil in endless hard labour in a gulag if you're male, and if you're really unlucky enough to be a woman.... you have to do far worse. And this is not anti-Imperial propaganda either, this is straight from both version 1.0 and ARR's storyline by speaking to npcs (and a 1.0 Echo-scene too which showed it first hand).
Like it or not, but the game pretty much paints the Garlean Empire as being the stereotypical 'evil Empire', the big bad that oppresses and conquers (a common trope for the FF series, and RPGs in general), and thus life under the Garlean jackboot in vassal states is no picnic. -
11-22-2015, 04:18 PMTheodricThe Garlean Empire is heavily based off of the Roman Empire which was far from 'evil'. By modern day standards it isn't ideal, no - but Ala Mhigo is hardly innocent (and had no issue trying to slaughter innocents and conquer Eorzea) in an attempt to prove themselves as being 'superior'. Military service - in this setting - is also a great way to improve one's quality of life. The average Eorzean is illiterate and constantly at risk of falling prey to all manner of nasty beasts and bandits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
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11-22-2015, 04:18 PMRyuRootsThat's a little different though. The power shift may not affect the common people of Ala Mhigo very much beyond who you say "yes sir/ma'am" to since this is a much more conventional case of war and leadership. Ishgard, however, the civilians and the grunts' lives are changed drastically because of the social implications of the guilt and lies of the "noble" progenitors as well as genuine hope for an end to a thousand-year war and the potential both of those things carry, not to mention religious significance. Ala Mhigo, to my understanding, doesn't face situations quite so world-shaking (at least not as of now; can't really say what future patches or expansions might hold, of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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11-22-2015, 04:23 PMTheodricIf Ala Mhigo is like Rabanastre from FFXII then the quality of life will have improved - especially in regards to technology. Whether those improvements are available to everybody or just the lucky few remains to be seen but I can easily imagine the place full of air cabs like in FFXII's Archades. A certain someone in the final scene of 3.1 implies that 'there will be bloodshed' and that, I feel, is a hint that many innocents will die on both sides. The question then, is, will we deal with the likes of Ilberd and his lackeys if they target civilians? Even if those civilians are Garlean/Garlean sympathisers?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuRoots
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11-22-2015, 05:31 PMBelhiFrankly the game hasn't painted Garlean rule as that benevolent a lot of the time. The people of Ala Mhigo suffered brutally when the Garleans took over and that's very much in living memory. Further Garlean society is very class based with rights proportioned to your standing. Most Ala Mhigans wouldn't even have Garlean citizenship. To earn that you need to have year of 'contributing to the empire'. As for those who do contribute, many don't have any say in the matter anyway because of forced conscription or worse. When you have Ala Mhigan women trying to escape the Garleans throw themselves off cliffs to keep themselves from getting dragged back to 'entertain' the soldiers, you have a really messed up system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
I doubt Ala Mhigo would be an easy fix but I don't think its going to be the struggle Ishgard is. Consider the fact that the Domans rebelled on their own and they were under Garlean rule for longer than Ala Mhigo has been.
Its also worth pointing out that apart from the Autumn War, which was quite a long time ago, the Ala Mhigans weren't been that conquest oriented. They mostly were dealing with their own issues. -
11-22-2015, 06:22 PMRyuRoots"It could be like FF12" is...a deeply, profoundly weak argument, I find. Especially in light of the few snippets we DO get about occupied Ala Mhigo painting it as pretty bleak. It is classist and dictatorial for certain and as Belhi said, extremely unlikely that most even have basic rights as Garlean citizens based on other imperial lore we've found, some of which was in Gubal Library as I recall. We also know through personal history of NPCs that the occupation is one of oppression, rape, and hardline military control. "There will be blood" means that a lot of people are going to die, and anything else is mere interpretation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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11-22-2015, 06:38 PMTheodricIshgard is 'classist'. So is Ul'dah. Heck, even Gridania is to an extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuRoots
Eorzea isn't a nice place - but that doesn't mean it's without redeeming qualities. The same very likely applies to occupied Ala Mhigo and Garlemald itself.
Besides, it's not as if a lot of Eorzeans aren't pressured into 'adventuring' for a living (which is just as dangerous, if not more so at times) then working as a soldier.