Could someone explain to me what kind of new graphic engine that they will carry out? I mean they will ditch Crystal Tools or what?
Curious on new Graphical Engine
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10-14-2011, 06:59 PMAionCurious on new Graphical Engine
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10-14-2011, 07:02 PMEl-Neko
Im guessing its the Luminous Studio Engine?
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10-14-2011, 07:04 PMNuru
Just about to make a thread about this. I thought it would take years of work to rebuild this game on a new engine. I don't think you can simply just port the graphics from one engine to another? I dunno about this lol.
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10-14-2011, 07:08 PMAion
yea,dont have any slight idea about graphical programming lol
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10-14-2011, 07:25 PMzaviermhigo
LUMINOUS PLEASE mmosite article on it
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10-14-2011, 08:34 PMMiyaDV
Didn't see this topic, that's the engine I'm wondering if their going to use if they use it this game is going to be amazing lol
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10-14-2011, 08:35 PMAion
any more article on that engine?
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10-14-2011, 08:39 PMLiminality
Is it weird that I find it interesting that the release for FFXIV 2.0 is extremely close to the predicted release of Windows 8?
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10-14-2011, 08:39 PMJinko
Yea it sounds like luminous which is using DX11 I think, so we can expect some extra graphic option for high end PC's, you think this game looks good now, well I bet its guna look ridiculous when 2.0 hits.
We should have things like graphical options and settings in the actually game engine as well, finally SE are moving with the times.
Alt-tab lol, real time shadowing, dynamic lighting, I really can't wait for 2.0.
It depends how they made the game engine, they could have made it in a way that porting assets from Crystal Tools would be an easy process.Quote:
Just about to make a thread about this. I thought it would take years of work to rebuild this game on a new engine. I don't think you can simply just port the graphics from one engine to another? I dunno about this lol.
If thats the case I wouldn't be surprised to see FFXII-Versus switch to the same engine. -
10-14-2011, 08:44 PMAion
but in the article said that it need DX11, does PS 3 capable of that?
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10-14-2011, 08:47 PMLiminalityPS3 uses OpenGL, I believe; DX11 has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aion
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10-14-2011, 08:48 PMJinkoThe PS3 version will be using a slightly different engine because its not a DirectX device, it will prob uses the same game assets though, maybe slightly lower quality ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aion
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10-14-2011, 08:49 PMSephr
I expect it's some kind of dramatic upgrade to the current engine, rather than a whole new one. Though as others have said, I'm not sure what limitations they face in this area.
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10-14-2011, 08:55 PMBetelgeuzah
The thing is, Crystal Tools is not an engine. It is a set of tools used by multiple graphic engines.
Both FFXIII, FFXIV and Versus XIII use Crystal tools, but they also have their own graphic engines modified specifically for each (white, black, and for XIV... let's call it Grey engine).
This is mostly due to the fact that it is no longer financially and technically feasible to create a new graphics engine for each game you make (like Square did back in the 90's) and their solution to this when coming to the current gen was to create a set of tool to make the development of engines more efficient.
That concept failed in execution, but nevertheless what they have today is three graphic engines and XIV is using one of them. This is the upgraded version of said engine, and still probably using crystal tools.
It's not a fact this is the case of course- just an informed opinion based on multiple sources. -
10-14-2011, 08:58 PMVahzl
Just wanted to point out the following:
I am not saying this is going to happen BUT I am seeing this as a new game purchase, not a patch. Is it possible that we may need to purchase the game again?Quote:
* September to October 2012 - Begin distribution of version 2.0 software for PC
* Begin distribution of PlayStation3 system beta version
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10-14-2011, 09:00 PMJinkoThey said we wouldn't somewhere amongst all the text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
They also said it would require a lot of downloading so, Im guessing digital distribution, in the form of a massive patch. -
10-14-2011, 09:00 PMBetelgeuzahThey need to replace the client. They need to distribute said client to us somehow. Nothing to do with selling the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
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10-14-2011, 09:13 PMVahzl
Just all sounds very reminiscent of the release of Rise of the Zilart :D
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10-14-2011, 09:50 PMLiminality"Among our new plans is the fundamental reworking of in-game maps. As part of this process, there will be a period required for switching over to a new client and new servers, after which there will be a large transfer of data when service is brought back online. After the new client is completed, new software for the PC version will be distributed online, and can be acquired free of charge. Character data and progress for players already playing the PC version will also be preserved, allowing those players to continue using their in-game avatars."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
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10-19-2011, 12:41 PMAionso custom engine...great...Quote:
Gamer Escape: 2.0 is going to be a new client, new servers, new engine. Is this still a form of Crystal Tools? Is this the Luminous engine? What can you tell us about that? Is there going to be support for Direct X 11?
Yoshida: First of all.. the current engine like Crystal Tools or the Luminous project, are made more for console games where they’re able to show the greatest level of graphics in a passive environment whereas an MMO is an active environment where, while you still want it to look beautiful, you also have many many people coming together in the same world. You have something like MW3 where the graphics are beautiful but what would happen if you had like 3 or 400 people on the screen at once. Would the engine be able to handle that? So what we wanted was something that could handle more of an active gameplay that we’re aiming for but also be able to provide beautiful graphics and landscapes. We found that Crystal Tools and Luminous would not be the optimal solution for this so that’s why we’re going to develop our own.
One of the reasons we had some trouble with the original launch of FFXIV was because we went through Crystal Tools and it was an engine that wasn’t really optimized for an MMO and so we’re currently working with technologists that are working on Luminous to make us a custom, optimal engine that will work for FFXIV.
As for DX 11, the first thing the dev team feels we have to do after the release of 2.0 is have a graphics engine that can accommodate the high-end computers and let those players have the highest quality graphics, smooth playability and a lot of different characters on screen- not the 40 we have now but having lots of characters displayed without having performance lag. But we’re also looking at the users with lower end computers as well and being able to create a system where you don’t have to have a high end PC to play. It also means having a system that will also handle the PS3 hardware as well that you have and just because it’s on the PS3 doesn’t mean it’s going to have lower quality. Maintaining quality for all three platforms- for high-end, low-end and PS3 and having an engine that will support this is what we’re aiming for with 2.0 and once that’s completed, and we hope to have that completed for 2.0, the next step will be to get the game ready for DX 11. So it’s in our schedule but we decided to make sure we had those three things covered by 2.0 and pushed back DX 11 for now. It’s not off the table thought and definitely the next thing we do after this.
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10-19-2011, 12:56 PMZion_CrossShaders, Post Processing effects, Particle Effects - etc etc = Graphics. The code that handles all of that plus the files that tag along for the visuals, the distribution of user operations and A.I. operations are heavily involved with the game. The models already exists, those can be ported over. They already have the designated poly count... basically they know their shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
The majority of the gross work was already there, the revamp maps and new shit coming along with the engine is the beefy stuff. We'll see how it all ends. -
10-19-2011, 01:29 PMnasomi
In the latest interview, Yoshi said that they're using neither crystal nor luminus in 2.0, so I have no idea what they're using.
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10-19-2011, 02:36 PMSeirra_Lanzceuhmm if i read the Gamer Escape right, is a customize engine that is compatible with Luminous Project.Quote:
Originally Posted by nasomi
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10-19-2011, 02:39 PMAnswaThere, everything is addressed.Quote:
Gamer Escape: 2.0 is going to be a new client, new servers, new engine. Is this still a form of Crystal Tools? Is this the Luminous engine? What can you tell us about that? Is there going to be support for Direct X 11?
Yoshida: First of all.. the current engine like Crystal Tools or the Luminous project, are made more for console games where they’re able to show the greatest level of graphics in a passive environment whereas an MMO is an active environment where, while you still want it to look beautiful, you also have many many people coming together in the same world. You have something like MW3 where the graphics are beautiful but what would happen if you had like 3 or 400 people on the screen at once. Would the engine be able to handle that? So what we wanted was something that could handle more of an active gameplay that we’re aiming for but also be able to provide beautiful graphics and landscapes. We found that Crystal Tools and Luminous would not be the optimal solution for this so that’s why we’re going to develop our own.
One of the reasons we had some trouble with the original launch of FFXIV was because we went through Crystal Tools and it was an engine that wasn’t really optimized for an MMO and so we’re currently working with technologists that are working on Luminous to make us a custom, optimal engine that will work for FFXIV.
As for DX 11, the first thing the dev team feels we have to do after the release of 2.0 is have a graphics engine that can accommodate the high-end computers and let those players have the highest quality graphics, smooth playability and a lot of different characters on screen- not the 40 we have now but having lots of characters displayed without having performance lag. But we’re also looking at the users with lower end computers as well and being able to create a system where you don’t have to have a high end PC to play. It also means having a system that will also handle the PS3 hardware as well that you have and just because it’s on the PS3 doesn’t mean it’s going to have lower quality. Maintaining quality for all three platforms- for high-end, low-end and PS3 and having an engine that will support this is what we’re aiming for with 2.0 and once that’s completed, and we hope to have that completed for 2.0, the next step will be to get the game ready for DX 11. So it’s in our schedule but we decided to make sure we had those three things covered by 2.0 and pushed back DX 11 for now. It’s not off the table thought and definitely the next thing we do after this.
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10-19-2011, 04:19 PMLlewelynIf it requires hardware DX11, I can guarantee that this isn't the engine they'll pick, as they've said one of the goals is to lower the entry bar to allow lower spec players to play. Requiring a brand new graphics card, even a low end one, is not in line with what they said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
Software DX11 requirement with lower hardware requirement (fallbacks) is unlikely too, because there are also still people running Windows XP, which won't get anything newer than DX9. The official requirements for FFXIV as it exists now includes Windows XP.
Far as how easy to port things... it would really depend how they created the content. That said... they're remaking the entire gameworld, so the only thing to port really is armor, which is probably in 3d Studio Max or Maya or something similar.
I suspect they're going to start rolling out the patch before the patch goes live, to help with download rates. Like preloading a game on Steam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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10-19-2011, 04:25 PMZumi
A lot of games just have an option to pick what graphics api you want to use. If you have a card that supports dx11 then you would pick that one. They said they weren't going to support dx11 right away in one of the inverviews but when they do support it probably just an option you can pick for better performance.
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10-19-2011, 04:32 PMAnswa2.0 starts being distributed on October 2012, A good three+ months before release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llewelyn
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10-19-2011, 07:13 PMAkira_Tenshi
They said FF Versus XIII does use Luminos but only for the lighting. If XIV does use it then it could be the first FF game to fully use it.
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10-19-2011, 10:06 PMChreesLook at Answa's post four above yours. They're not using Luminous, but rather working with members of their team to create a custom engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
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10-19-2011, 10:44 PMAkira_Tenshi"In an interview with Famitsu, Tetsuya Nomura reveals that Versus XIII's lightning is being redone, and they're using Luminous for this purpose. Luminous is good with lightning, says Nomura. Versus aims for photo realism, so it places greater importance on lighting."Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrees
This is where I got that information, maybe it's not accurate though, I don't know.
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10-19-2011, 10:52 PMFear
Basicly FFXIV is using a modified version of Luminous, since Luminous is designed for consoles.
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10-19-2011, 10:56 PMChreesOh, I was just referring to your second part. Sorry, should've clarified that! FFXIV won't be using Luminous, so it wouldn't be the first game to fully use Luminous. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
Thanks for the link though! I didn't know that about Versus XIII. -
10-19-2011, 10:58 PMAkira_Tenshi
Why did they create Luminos if they aren't using it? lol
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10-19-2011, 11:32 PMZenakuThey have other MMO coming up i thought it was going to use luminos maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
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10-19-2011, 11:48 PMNayt
As stated before, in for instance Gamerescape's interview, the luminous isn't intended for MMO's. Though FFXIV uses a rebuilt version of it. They mentioned they want it to be able to display up towards 400 characters simultaneously, which would be quite impressive, I have to say.
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10-20-2011, 12:16 AMFearThe Luminous engine is designed for single player RPG's, most likely Final Fantasy 15+, it isn't made for MMO's which is why they're customizing a seperate version of it for FFXIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
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10-20-2011, 12:18 AMellohwell
Why is everyone talking about luminous?
It's obvious that to get a game out by next year they are just going to rework Crystal Tools. -
10-20-2011, 12:23 AMNaytOh crawl back to your mud, troll. Do you even read or do you just choose to ignore it to make missinforming posts? Yoshida already said what they're using.Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2011/10...ere/#more-9022Quote:
One of the reasons we had some trouble with the original launch of FFXIV was because we went through Crystal Tools and it was an engine that wasn’t really optimized for an MMO and so we’re currently working with technologists that are working on Luminous to make us a custom, optimal engine that will work for FFXIV.
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10-20-2011, 12:24 AMFearDid you not read the part thats been posted? Why the hell would the Dev team alter and reuse the game engine thats holding this game back?....Quote:
Originally Posted by ellohwell
They've already said they're working with the people who designed the Luminous engine to customize their own version of Luminous for FFXIV -
10-20-2011, 12:32 AMJinkoQuote:
Originally Posted by Llewelyn
Doesn't matter really Direct X11 is backward compatible, its not a requirement in any game, not that it matters they aren't using it at least for the short term.