Tanks can STR... why not let Healers go Int???

Sure we have cleric stance... but let healers utilise Int like tanks utilize Str.. and Mages utilise Mnd in the same manner =D.

I actually tried this and went full Int in a dungie.. and boy my deeps was thru the roof.. and NO cleric stance dancing. It was pretty great.

Come on SE... get on it.

Because Cleric Stance converts all your MND to INT.....and adds 10% potency to damage?

Wait. Wat?

How many times did your tank die?

Or better yet just get rid of STR tanks and make their stances change VIT into STR like cleric stance.

Better yet mate, i once went full dex (with left main gear melds) on my pld so i could test out my shield lob build, it was pretty damn good, square just needs to fix the insane tp cost (as of now its a dps loss due to TP) but once they hotfix that ill be right back on my ranged dex pld build

I rather like the skill cap that stance dancing brings to the table. Since you're stance dancing during low damage phases or when the damage at hand is being covered, "full INT" wouldn't really bring anything new to me that CS doesn't, and only serves to muddy the gear choices for those that can't handle stance dancing to begin with.

There's no need to be able to DPS and heal at proficient levels at the same time, save for oGCD healing abilities, and it's hardly taxing to drop CS to throw out Lustrate, ED, Tetra, and get back in the flow.

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Seconded...

Why not STR so their books globes an staffs can do damage and take advantage of that monk blunt resistance down perks. Now mages fight up close and heal close like a family and auto attack between heals.

Satire :)

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

Why not STR so their books globes an staffs can do damage and take advantage of that monk blunt resistance down perks. Now mages fight up close and heal close like a family and auto attack between heals.

Satire :)

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That doesnt make sense... even as satire.

Also.. the tank never died because by the time his HP got to critical levels.. the trash was died.

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Originally Posted by DenebPunkin

That doesnt make sense... even as satire.

Also.. the tank never died because by the time his HP got to critical levels.. the trash was died.

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It makes sense the fact that it went over your head IMO tells me you shouldn't be making suggestions yet until you understand the game.

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

It makes sense the fact that it went over your head IMO tells me you shouldn't be making suggestions yet until you understand the game.

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Im sure everything you come up with makes sense to you and wents over allbodies heads IYO tells me you got offended. So sorry aboot that I dont wanna offend. Just a legit curiousness since SE is into trying to make all classes have the potential to DPS.

Except Dex has never been good. and hasn't effected block rate in a long time

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Originally Posted by Sir_Hermes

Except Dex has never been good. and hasn't effected block rate in a long time

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Obvious joke is obvious. I guess it's possible to assume people are that inept. The OP here is a fine example of ignorance. He doesn't even understand cleric stance and why while that exists, int builds will always be meaningless on healers. My str and that person dex comments are obvious jokes that satire the OP's original post.

Yeah... you can sorta do this in WoW but in FFXIV, Cleric Stance makes it pointless while leaving all the detriments, and you still won't be outputting near as much damage as if you used that instacast oGCD stance switch.

Tanks get a tangible bonus from two main stats, and don't have any abilities that reallocate them.

So, check. Making a note to drop if I ever see you in my party again.

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Originally Posted by DenebPunkin

Sure we have cleric stance... but let healers utilise Int like tanks utilize Str.. and Mages utilise Mnd in the same manner =D.

I actually tried this and went full Int in a dungie.. and boy my deeps was thru the roof.. and NO cleric stance dancing. It was pretty great.

Come on SE... get on it.

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Did you mean combining INT and MND to one single state?
Then CS can be removed, BLM can cure the same or more than a WHM etc? ^^;

Not sure if this is a joke or a serious question.
Just read the Cleric Stance tooltip carefully. Tanks would kill to have an equivalent that swaps vit into str...at least until devs make the changes they promised about tanks' dps calculations in 3.2

Okay, i got the bait ;)
The INT build would be for healers who wants to do "meaningful" damage and can't/won't foresight the fight for just a few seconds for a save stance dance or can't adept to stance dancing at all.
In conclusion it's better to train stance dance and stop for betting for more and easier damage for healers. After all healers are the most specialized support at all.
The main task of a healer is mitigating damage at all, if there is no damage to mitigate they can do damage at all, it's just fine they support with EXTRA damage at all but never forget your main task.

In the case someone is curiouse about the mitigation of damage, every damm warrior give the argument he mitigate damge through selfheal, so healing is just mitigating damage at all.

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Originally Posted by Critical-Limit

Why not STR so their books globes an staffs can do damage and take advantage of that monk blunt resistance down perks. Now mages fight up close and heal close like a family and auto attack between heals.

Satire :)

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Actually half possible on Sch if they could actually get the strength since Bio, Aero and Ruin II are all instant casts. If Sch could get strength without eviscerating their secondary stats I'd definitely consider Ruin II + Auto Attack over Broil in situations where I need to be a bit more MP conservative, the base potency between the two wouldn't be that far off if the auto attack had enough strength to bridge the gap.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Because Cleric Stance converts all your MND to INT.....and adds 10% potency to damage?

Wait. Wat?

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I know right? Stone III is basically a low power Fire I, and Holy is a flashier Fire II in cleric stance. Wow lately lots of bad healers coming out of woodworks here. I'd NEVER gear for INT. That's what I have BLM for.

For about an hour after I managed to become a Scholar, I thought I was being a smartass by gearing for full INT so that I could reverse Cleric Stance and heal more through that way, since my Scholar initially had more natural INT than MND at the level 30-40 range.

I then got the good sense to read the actual skill description more closely.

Okay, now it's enough. Come on now, we all go back under our bridges now, before some newbe will show up and get this in the wrong way.

there actually IS gear in the game with mnd AND int. but it's only ilvl 160. http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/4551a07ab65/

there is a full set you can get from pvp achievments. and because of ilvl sync you can use it in pvp and all the content below lvl 60.

why did they disable cleric in pvp... ^^?

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Originally Posted by Tint

why did they disable cleric in pvp... ^^?

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Because SCH and WHM were very OP with it. A party of 3+ WHM could decimate an entire alliance with Holy spam.

If anyone were smart enough to invest in Purity, SCH, owned at one on one combat with a fairy healing though 80% of the damage.

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Originally Posted by Blessedbythesun

Because SCH and WHM were very OP with it. A party of 3+ WHM could decimate an entire alliance with Holy spam.

If anyone were smart enough to invest in Purity, SCH, owned at one on one combat with a fairy healing though 80% of the damage.

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i know why they removed it. 8 whms holy spam ftw xD but now we have this gear with INT which healer can wear. so okay, you lose the 10% dmg buff from cleric and all the substats like det and crit. but still: there is INT on the gear Oo

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i know why they removed it. 8 whms holy spam ftw xD but now we have this gear with INT which healer can wear. so okay, you lose the 10% dmg buff from cleric and all the substats like det and crit. but still: there is INT on the gear Oo

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To be honest, INT gear is lost on healers outside of PVP and I have longed for INT equipment specifically for PVP.

Finally.. someone brought the PVP angle to light. See, INT WMH/SCH/ASTRO is the new meta for PVP.

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Originally Posted by DenebPunkin

I actually tried this and went full Int in a dungie.. and boy my deeps was thru the roof.. and NO cleric stance dancing. It was pretty great.
Also.. the tank never died because by the time his HP got to critical levels.. the trash was died.

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...and your dmg would have been "through the roof" even more if you just went full MND and never switched out of Cleric Stance. No stance dancing either since you just stay in the same stance all the time...

Go offline if you are bored of the internet. Threads like these are why SE doesn't take the NA forum seriously.

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Go offline if you are bored of the internet. Threads like these are why SE doesn't take the NA forum seriously.

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Woaa... do you need a hug???

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Or better yet just get rid of STR tanks and make their stances change VIT into STR like cleric stance.

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Not this again.... This has got to be the most absurd analogy I have ever encountered..... VIT is like PIE - a tank with no HP is the same as a Healer with no MP, both useless. Cleric Stance just lowers healing and increases damage dealt but still has the MP to cast stuff. A tank is supposed to be well.. tanky. Their dps stances are already enough price to pay that they don't have that extra tankiness and just makes them a dps class that have defensive cooldowns. Stop promulgating such nonesense.

I remember, during the beta, Thaumaturge could still cross-class CS. Some THMs went for a MND build to take advantage of the 10% boost, since sub-50 casters and healers have the same gear.

Although it could also cross-class Stone, which resulted in that one idiot I ran with who used that instead of Fire because "it's more MP efficient".

Balance wise str for tanks for itleast the dark and warrior does translate to its defenses. Between the self healing which scales with attack power it is a logical choice to go with str pieces unless certain bosses/mechanics are made easier meeting a hp thresh hold like SCOB had people using crafted gear to reach a certain hit point level.