It can be frustrating trying to find groups to do things that aren't even 'hardcore.' (Bismark-ex is not hardcore but trying to find a PF to do it is annoying). A lot of people won't even bother attempting something unless there are rewards for it. So why not give people rewards?
I'm not necessarily talking about gear treadmill but lets get creative. Maybe tomes of EXP that can level an alt in one go. New exclusive glamour gear for x6 months. Currency to buy post season awards. Mount food that makes it go faster for 1x hour.
The easier it is to get players to do non-face roll content, the better trained the server will be and more ready to tackle harder content.
Bottom line is that Bismark-ex and Ravena-ex ARE harder content than Alexander - shouldn't there be some better awards for it?
More Rewards for Harder Content?
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11-09-2015, 01:30 AMAlex_LendersonMore Rewards for Harder Content?
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11-09-2015, 01:32 AMEvangela
at least the raid gears should look better than Alex and Void Ark gears.
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11-09-2015, 01:46 AMKassiekane
Its hard to find good players because this is not strictly a hardcore game. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this is not dark souls online; more people are focused on obtaining pretty glamour then beating content.
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11-09-2015, 02:26 AMAlex_LendersonPeople make decisions on the margins. Put a carrot out there and you'll get more people trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kassiekane
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11-09-2015, 02:28 AMNektulos-TuorNo point in doing hard content when gear on it will be replaced every 3-4 months and the "glamour" gear will be made easier to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kassiekane
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11-09-2015, 02:38 AMMartin_Arcainess
The difference between the EX and Alex at this moment is that Alex is meant to be easy and a form of gear upgrading outside of Eso and Law.
Ravana EX still offers something of value and that is it's 190 weapon, which at this moment unless you fancy waiting every 3-2 weeks to get a iLV200 ESO weapon then Ravana EX is currently your 2nd best choice of a getting a weapon and that's motivation enough for people to farm Ravana.
Bismark on the other hand, well yeah the only reason why people would do him is for glamor or to unlock Ravana.
But come by 3.1 the only reason why people would do either of these is for the completionist in them.
Also back on Alex, for the harder version there is better rewards. -
11-09-2015, 02:40 AMIromiSadly this is true. Also, look at the community rep responses we get. All of it is for glamour or QoL, none of it is ever replies to threads like these or about adding interesting stats on armor or what is wrong with end game...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kassiekane
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11-09-2015, 02:47 AMZumiBismark getting put in the DF next patch so you can just queue up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson
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11-09-2015, 02:56 AMGilraenThat will work about as well as getting you to do low level Roulette by offering tomestones. Alexander Savage has all of two things I want... but, like hell I'm going to put up with people like you to get them. As such, I haven't even unlocked Alexander Savage. I have no desire to make a chore out of a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson
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11-09-2015, 03:49 AMAlex_Lenderson"People like you?" Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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11-09-2015, 04:22 AMGardeslol you're talking to someone who claimed to love challenging content but has never cleared any coil fights beyond t4, cleared most ex primals only 1 month before expansion launch and even then hasn't cleared some of them too. I was looking for someone's post where he was admitting to being a terrible bard (it was hers) and I even found her chastising someone for not going for bis pieces when that someone mentioned he is in full tome gear. Which is hilarious when you consider when this person dodged coil hard for most of her xiv life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson
Even if you somehow managed to entice someone like this with items that she wants, she would most likely find some other excuse to dodge doing the content regardless of who she parties with and you probably wouldn't want to do it with her anyway, since she's most likely ill prepared. -
11-09-2015, 04:26 AMAlex_LendersonLOL... wow I don't even have words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
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11-09-2015, 04:37 AMChazNatloThey can't give better looking gear for harder challenges because "better looking" is subjective. I wouldn't mind different looking gear though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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11-09-2015, 04:39 AMBlood-AkiI don't even care if the gear is ugly to my tastes, but it's insulting to have different gear with the same look. you can't look at someone with a gordian AS4 body and assume it's the A4 one, you have to actually check them.. or they look exactly the same as someone who has never touched savage. they had no issues with coil gear. why did they get lazy about now i wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChazNatlo
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11-09-2015, 05:17 AMGilraenI will freely admit to my sloth, but sloth is not an indication of lack of desire. I'm just not obsessed enough in the game to play it for hours on end burning myself out. I could also care less about how others feel about my play style and so long as things get done and it was fun it's fine by me. Call it apathy or indifference, but that's how I am. My only pet peeve in this game are people who quit without trying again. Sometimes you just need a bit of a do over to get past a particularly tough fight. If people had played such games as XI or any of the older Korean MMOs I feel there'd be more patience in the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardes
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11-09-2015, 05:54 AMzosiaSo, then you at least care enough =pQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
I played ff11 for years and that game is a sorry comparison if you are talking about patience. People were just as ruthless and demanding in that game's endgame as any other MMO. -
11-09-2015, 06:15 AMAlex_Lenderson
My point is they don't seem to do a good job of providing reward choices other than glamour and ilevels. Give harder content that requires teamwork something different. Be creative!
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11-09-2015, 06:38 AMNekodar
Putting more rewards into those now would just result in people screaming "stop forcing us to run outdated content"... like have happened every time they have tried to revitalize something that's fallen out of fashion.
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11-09-2015, 06:55 AMCherie
What hardcore MMOs are there? I've yet to ever see one.
I guess those games where you do nothing but grind all the time might be "hardcore"? I played "aion" though, it just got old pretty quick. Maybe they can make a "hardcore" version of this game where you get xp like 100x slower and can spend three weeks in satasha normal trying to level. That would be a hardcore MMO.
I'm not sure what anyone is asking when they say they want this game to be harder. Didn't the live letter say that only half of the player base beat alexander normal (correct me if I'm wrong)? I don't believe anyone considers alexander normal hardcore. I think SE probably had the difficulty level set fairly appropriate for the players in the majority. People that want a harder game play something else.
Personally I'd like some more challenges too if that's what this thread is about. Having that mount in a4s was a good start. It's fairly unusual of SE to put some vanity item at the end of content that the masses won't ever complete. A step in the right direction I guess. I suppose you could count the fenrir mount in there too (though I'm not sure how difficult people consider the gold saucer). -
11-09-2015, 07:41 AMAlex_LendersonProbably ex rav has less than 20% of the population clearing it at this point. (We only have 50% who cleared Alex normal!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekodar
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11-09-2015, 07:50 AMLuvbunny
I do agree, one of my biggest pet peeve is how easily they "destroy" old content and render them completely useless. It literally kills half the game content and all the hard works that the team put together went down to the toilet. SE should really update those level 50 endgame and trials and add relevant crafting materials, airship materials, minions, token, esoteric currency, and maybe some allied and centurio seals. All of those are "valid contents" designed to waste our time just like the "newer and shiniest" contents are. Bring them all up to date with the rewards so we have OPTIONS and variety, yes, even if that means re-doing old contents.
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11-09-2015, 08:13 AMGilraen
No, players render content useless. Before there was Roulette people trying to get their first runs of Sastasha and Toto-Rak would often sit for over half an hour in queues cause they were the only ones actually queued for them. It's that very reason we have Roulettes now! But there's still long queues even with Roulette so little wonder they ease the difficulty of the older content if noone's running them. They've done everything they can without imbalancing the game to get people to run old content and it's not worked anywhere near as well as people seem to want to believe.
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11-09-2015, 08:27 AMAshkendorClearly people that like cheese danishes trigger some sort of odd overreaction from her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_Lenderson
Or perhaps it's people that don't like cheese danishes.
Players don't make content useless. Vertical progression does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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11-10-2015, 12:01 PMAlex_Lenderson
Bumpers because it got buried under patch.