Dear SE Dev Team

Dear Dev Team,

Before the release of 3.0 you said we would have new egis for summoner to use, but then opted to not give us those new egis. This upset many of us, yes, but I do understand that it is not the biggest priority in the world. Then you mentioned about being able to glamor the existing egis. Shortly after some community representatives responded to the hot topic saying it was a strain on production.

So in response I have a question on the matter:

Will we ever see the glamor feature on egis or new egi all-together? If so, then when can we expect to receive them?

Sincerely,
The actively interested Summoner playerbase

Am I the only person who is disappointed by the mere concept of Egi-Glamours?

2.0, Summoner was very disappointing for me, you popped Ifrit or Garuda, then did your regular DoT rotation, perhaps with some input as to what the pet did (Contagion). A Job called Summoner, I think, should be doing more than one summoning...
3.0, Dreadwyrm Stance was a great addition, very true to the original Summoner, in that you pop Bahamut, do a single move, then he is gone...

That is how I want the Job to function as a whole... I kinda want them to just scrap the whole Job as it currently is, make Arcanist a healer (the DoTs being disease based even works for Scholar), and make Summoner an Extra Job like the Heavensward trio, meaning you can even have it require 2.55 completion and give it all Primals by default. I'd rather see the pet aspect of the Job just completely removed in favour of stance dancing between the various six Primals, with Bahamut remaining as the final pay off...

The whole Job honestly felt like it was rushed out for 2.0s release, Egi-Glamours just feels like a band-aid fix... Yeah it would give Summoner all the Egis, but I've never viewed that as the problem... I'd like to have all the summons, but I'd prefer to have them in a meaningful way... If they just let us switch between Titan/Shiva for Tank-Egi, Garuda/Ramuh for Mage-Egi, and Ifrit/Leviathan for Melee-Egi... Well, I'm still only summoning one Egi... I'd much rather the entire Jobs summoning be handled in the same way Bahamut-Egi is handled...

That said, I'm aware plenty of people like their DoT Mage, and I'm incline to agree, it's just to me it doesn't feel like it should be Summoner or a pet Job... I think it would be more apt to take some of the existing assets to build a real Summoner, and use the existing ones to make Red Mage... The whole DoT > burst mechanic actually seems quite fitting for Red Mage IMO, what with the whole spell fencer motif they commonly have... Rather than Fester you could have some sword play, for example...

Still, an update on Egi-Glamours would be nice... I'd like to know if they're sticking to their guns or planning a (IMO) real fix...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Am I the only person who is disappointed by the mere concept of Egi-Glamours?

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No.

By the entire SMN job as it is now, tbh. And still the answer is no. (I mean. "Pop Bahamut" - yeah, more in a shapeshifter kind of way, which to me isn't a summoner.)

But yeah this whole Egi-glamour thing, the fact that as far as we know now they haven't even started working on it yet, either.... eh. :/

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Am I the only person who is disappointed by the mere concept of Egi-Glamours?

Still, an update on Egi-Glamours would be nice... I'd like to know if they're sticking to their guns or planning a (IMO) real fix...

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That is more or less the point of this thread. I am well aware of, and knowing of, the differing opinions on the subject itself. This thread is intended to be a petition for the player base to metaphorically sign saying we would like to know the status of ether or both things mentioned in the thread. All other threads similar to this were ignored due to the banter amongst the community in them.

I would settle with just being able to use my Carbuncles as SCH/SMN.

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Originally Posted by Negafox

I would settle with just being able to use my Carbuncles as SCH/SMN.

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This.

I would love to be able to do more single target damage. I would love to have more egis I could summon (although to me being able to summon certain primals would break the world a little), but please just let me have my Carby back. We were together for 30+ levels of my adventure in Eorzea and I just don't have the same affection for Garuda and Titan (again story-wise why should I?)

I'm not bothered at all. I'm loving the new patch

No one said we dislike the new patch XD I think there's some great stuff in there and I look forward to getting it. Some of us are just disappointed by a lack of update to our job, particularly in regards to our summons.

Didn't they say a while back they had done concept work for egi glamours? I know they said it will take time because they need to not only create the models but do new animations and spell effects that match the egi glamour.

I think its extremely unlikely you will see a full overhaul of the class from the ground up, partially because it would be a massive amount of work that they would probably spend on developing Jobs for the next expac and also because there would be people who liked SMN as it was and be unhappy with a drastic change. The Job itself isn't broken. It just doesn't thematically match what some people want.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

The Job itself isn't broken. It just doesn't thematically match what some people want.

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Which isnt exactly a bad thing, but people need to understand if Summoner is not what they expect, they need to wrap it around the new jobs they want as well like Samurai and Blue mage may not be what they expect from previous games of XI. Now personally I do feel if the Summoner was more akin to Yuna in Dissidia 012, in that they pop for a brief second to strike then vanish it would be more to how we want to see them, remove the pet all together and have them be an extension of the Summoner themselves. Least that is how I would invision it, that would basically make them the melee magic class people want too.

If they would just change the ugly egis to the super cute mini primals they showed as minions (and redesign the minions as egis or smaller variations) everyone would be so so happy. The egis all look way to similar which is a problem considering they're quite ugly and abrasive looking. The new primal minions are so darn cute and accurate it'd be a shame to only use them as minions. :/

See: https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv

One of those other scrapped ideas. They also said MCH would use multiple attachments, but instead got rid of that and made them play closer to BRD in play style. There's so many things in previews that they couldn't meet, it's kind of disappointing

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Originally Posted by Nalien

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I feel like Summoner's ties with Arcanist is fine. Like most Job's ties with their Class, FFXIV's version of Summoner has the same concept of an Arcanist, in which the mainpulate Aetheric energies to form a familiar. Summoners can go to higher lengths and transform a primal's essence into a summon.
As to why they use debilitating spells is beyond me, it's better than nothing. Summoners from past FF games aren't really that different from a Black Mage (with their attacks) aside from having the ability to summon, in which those summons does a flashy special attack and then vanish.

Although, I'd like to have more Egis, or Egi-glamour but for them to be unique from each other, with different skills, and do much more than the 4 abilities they have right now (and maybe give better models. The Egis just look so tiny, but I don't see that as a bad thing. Though, the primal minions look far more better). As for now, think of our inability to summon more Egis as something like in FF games, where you start with a couple and get to summon them all eventually in the journey.

I would be very happy to have these as part of SMN glamour:

Ifrit
http://i64.tinypic.com/sv6fz4.jpg


Garuda
http://i68.tinypic.com/2ytzehe.jpg


Titan
http://i68.tinypic.com/2ynsb4p.jpg


I want my Garuda to look like the Garuda above.

And more variety is always welcome in my book.

Also, I am very happy about my class (SMN) the way it is, I love the DoT's and the fact that not having to micromanage my summon is awesome.
I just want more summons to choose from, or at least be able to glamour them.

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Originally Posted by Kemas

If they would just change the ugly egis to the super cute mini primals they showed as minions (and redesign the minions as egis or smaller variations) everyone would be so so happy. The egis all look way to similar which is a problem considering they're quite ugly and abrasive looking. The new primal minions are so darn cute and accurate it'd be a shame to only use them as minions. :/

See: https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv

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This^^

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I think its extremely unlikely you will see a full overhaul of the class from the ground up, partially because it would be a massive amount of work that they would probably spend on developing Jobs for the next expac and also because there would be people who liked SMN as it was and be unhappy with a drastic change. The Job itself isn't broken. It just doesn't thematically match what some people want.

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That's kinda why I mentioned the potential for Red Mage to take up the DoT-Mage mantle. It would still be a lot of work, but I imagine it would be less work than starting completely from scratch. Red Mage could effectively be what Summoner is, minus the pets and with its own little flare (swordplay I imagine). Summoner could effectively be a "new" Job built around the pets (or not, I'm not really a fan of the Egis).

I think that's perhaps why Summoner has never sat right with me... It's always felt half-baked, it's like it is trying to be two different things... I'd rather have a solid pet Job and a solid DoT-Mage, than a half assed mix of the two...

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

I feel like Summoner's ties with Arcanist is fine.

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Lore-wise? Sure, but mechanically I don't think Arcanist is particularly Summoner-y... It has pets and that's it... Pets weren't even a Summoner staple until Final Fantasy X and XI made Summoner that way, but both did so with far more depth than XIV offers...

Arcanist seems like it was rushed for launch and... Well, it is trying to be two things at once; Scholar and Summoner. For Summoner, I think that is detrimental, Scholar I think transitioned from it nicely though... The whole Virus/DoTs thing is thematically sound with Scholar; A large portion of the Scholars quests deal with combating a disease, Scholar is a healer of such ailments, and to me it then makes sense that their offensive capabilities would utilize that. Scholar even made better use of the pets IMO, the fairy actions aren't phenomenal, but they offer more depth than the Egi ones...

To me, it seems like 2 Jobs 1 Cu... Class was the developers attempt at trying something different, and given past comments on the system, I don't think it was considered a success... To me, Arcanist to Scholar works, though Arcanist would need to be changed to a healer (presumably with Carbuncle getting Eos/Selenes skill list, rather than Garuda/Titans, which again works for me, since I remember Carbuncle being more of a support/healer (Healing Ruby) than DPS...). Meanwhile, just off the fact that Extra Jobs require 2.x completion, Summoner works for them, since you'd have beaten all the Primals (the main six, anyway) to unlock it. Taking the Dreadwyrm Stance concept, and applying it to the main six Primals would make for a solid Job IMO, meanwhile the left over "DoT > Burst" mechanic presented with Fester could easily be adapted to Red Mage; Ruin and Aetherflow could be changed to a melee TP combo to build up stacks. Bio/etc. could be swapped for Dia. Fester could be functionally the same (just using the stacks from the melee combo), but be a melee attack instead. A single target attack with Banish. Perhaps some enhancement spells like En-Fire/etc. and Spikes... Heck, it even makes sense for Red Mage, a Job that traditionally had a sword, black magic, and white magic, to have a heal like Physick... The core of Red Mage could be the core of what 2.0 Summoner was; Keeping DoTs up with the occasional burst. Meanwhile, the "new" Summoner could fully embrace the summoning aspect.

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

I would be very happy to have these as part of SMN glamour:

Ifrit
http://i64.tinypic.com/sv6fz4.jpg


Garuda
http://i68.tinypic.com/2ytzehe.jpg


Titan
http://i68.tinypic.com/2ynsb4p.jpg


I want my Garuda to look like the Garuda above.

And more variety is always welcome in my book.

Also, I am very happy about my class (SMN) the way it is, I love the DoT's and the fact that not having to micromanage my summon is awesome.
I just want more summons to choose from, or at least be able to glamour them.




This^^

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I want this! A Titan that walks up to a mob and hits them just like titan does. Aren't the animations there already? Copy the primals animations onto those primal minions. Drop the prerequisite that they have to be flying egis please. Walking around with titan is better than a flying nugget.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

I want this! A Titan that walks up to a mob and hits them just like titan does. Aren't the animations there already? Copy the primals animations onto those primal minions. Drop the prerequisite that they have to be flying egis please. Walking around with titan is better than a flying nugget.

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I wouldn't mind Ifrit and or Titan walking either. But Garuda has to have wings :P

Play summoner as favorite job on ffxi >> come to ffxiv and its unbareable. Has been since its release and i doubt it will get any better without complete class redesign. Thats unfair to ppl who are enjoying it though. Gave up on that. Only job i enjoy transitioning from ffxi jobs wise is scholar. Warrior is neat too but on ffxi it was a damage powerhouse, cant have that here due to balancing. I have a feeling if they ever release redmage or bluemage, if you played those on ffxi, this game will kill them off for you to due to the classification system (dps,tank,heals) theres no inbetween.

from what the cm stated

its going to take time for this to be realsed to do designing the new egis and having unique actions for them. they putting thought into it just gonna take time.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

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Yeah, the concept of a "trance mode" for the six primals does sound better. Heck, even give them astral and umbral spells like THM 1.0 (though using elemental magic fits better for SMN, and give THM their astral/umbral magic back).
But I don't see an overhaul anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

Yeah, the concept of a "trance mode" for the six primals does sound better. Heck, even give them astral and umbral spells like THM 1.0 (though using elemental magic fits better for SMN, and give THM their astral/umbral magic back).
But I don't see an overhaul anytime soon.

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Uhm NO!! I'm happy with the class/job the way it is. It is my main class/job and I love it.

Not having to micro-manage my pet is awesome. Not having to switch from pets in between fights is awesome too. I can use my Garuda the entire fight and that is what I love about being a Summoner. My pet stays with me at all times, at least it gives me the feeling that I have a (true) PET besides me.

I don't like the idea of switching pets, (or pets disappearing within a few seconds) during a fight.
That doesn't feel like pets, more like spells that resembles a pet, they don't have any "personality/character".
That is not a true pet. At least our current pets feel more like a pet than your/others suggestion.

Leave the Summoner the way it is, we don't need an overhaul.

Only thing we need is the ability to choose from more pets that have the same damage output so people can truly choose which pet they like and would love to use. Or being able to glamour them is fine as well. Just give us lots of glamour to choose from!

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

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I'm fine with either way. I'm not bothered with how Summoner is now...except for the lack of summons.
That's all in someone's perspective of what FFXIV's Summoner should've been, but I see Summoner as simply someone who can summon a powerful being, or at least a taste of it. Like how summons in previous games only appear for a short period of time and how in this game, they're only a primal's essence.