Why not make "Hard" dungeons 6-man?

6 is the perfect group size.
1 Tank
3 DPS
1 Support or secondary healer or dps
1 Healer

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

6 is the perfect group size.
1 Tank
3 DPS
1 Support or secondary healer or dps
1 Healer

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they won't because somewhere down the line they got this idea that 4 was a better idea.
Coming from FFXI I always thought 6 was a better idea.
Mind you in FFXI most of the content was open world.
When I put together a party I would usually go like this
1 Healer(usually me)
1 Backup Healer/Support(RDM was good for this spot)
1 Tank
1 Puller/Secondary DD(THF, Ranger or BRD was good for this spot)
2 DD(we called them Damage Dealers despite somewhere down the line some idea calling them DPS was better.)

I liked FF8.

Three is best number. ;)

Make it a full party, not a light party and a half ^^

1 tank
2 healers
5 DPS

the same what we have in CT2 and CT3 and it worked also in the 1.x dungeons (even if all dps ran it as BLM to change at the boss to MNK)

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Originally Posted by Felis

Make it a full party, not a light party and a half ^^

1 tank
2 healers
5 DPS

the same what we have in CT2 and CT3 and it worked also in the 1.x dungeons (even if all dps ran it as BLM to change at the boss to MNK)

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8 is a bit too big. 6 is just right.

As long as the single healer is ok with all the people rushing in ;)

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

8 is a bit too big. 6 is just right.

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Why is 8 too big?

Either just the tank is taking damage, in which case you single-target heal the tank, or everyone takes damage, in which case you AoE heal.

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Originally Posted by Moonleg

Why is 8 too big?

Either just the tank is taking damage, in which case you single-target heal the tank, or everyone takes damage, in which case you AoE heal.

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6 allows for..

1 (OT, Second Healer, Support DPS)
3 DPS.
1 Tank.
1 Healer.

It has an almost perfect synergy to the ques.

You can make that same argument for any setup, Nektulos.

Two tanks or 1 tank, one support dps?
Two healers, or solo-heal with more tanks to spread out the damage?

Anything is possible.

Besides, we don't have official support classes. Maybe get that first?

Because the game is designed around 4, 8, and 24... When it would be so much better around 6, 12, and 36. And by designed, I mean the UI is built for a group of 4, not 6. They probably even have hardcoded code against 4/8 etc. It's like the frame of a car, once the car's built you can't really change the frame without rebuilding the car.

DPS ques would be about twice as fast with a 6 man group, because it would be 1 tank 1 healer and 4 dps, or 1, 1, 3, (1 support/dps).

12 Mans would just be double 6 man groups like 8 mans are double 4 man groups now.

CT would be 36 people, etc.

With 8 man groups there is no room for alternative comps unless you can solo heal it, or solo tank it. With a 12 man group you could easily add a healer, or 2, or an extra tank, etc etc.

I think 5 would be better. Tank, healer, melee dps, range dps, support.

Solo healing 4+1 guys instead of 2+1 who love aoe bathing would be a little bit too much for my taste.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

8 is a bit too big. 6 is just right.

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If they make the dungeon as hard as Cutter's Cry and Aurun Vale was during 1.x, 8 is just right.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

I think 5 would be better. Tank, healer, melee dps, range dps, support.

Solo healing 4+1 guys instead of 2+1 who love aoe bathing would be a little bit too much for my taste.

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5 would be ok, but not very flexible.

Personally I'd like to see them rebalance every 4 man for 6 and every 8 man for 12. And raids designed for 3 full parties would be rebalanced for 36.

Then for all the dungeon ques they should have two MISC slots, where you 4 people of X roles, and then 2 of whatever is available. So you might end up in a 6 man with 1 tank 1 healer and 4 dps, or on rare occasions 1 tank 2 dps and 3 healers.

Premades could go in with 6 paladins if they wanted to...

Making this change would allow SE to release classes that are support based. E.g. Red Mage. Right now square can only make tanks, healers, or DPS... There is no room to take something that is not a dps, not a healer, or not a tank.

I came here from XI myself and... I think 4 is plenty. 6 was a necessity in XI because of the nature of the game, if you needed someone other than the tank to sponge some damage you had the option in the other DDs. In this game combat is fast enough that that's not an issue. Most everything dies before the healer is too taxed or the tank drained to auto-attacks. The only reason to have more DDs is to trivialize the runs and, frankly, that's boring.