When everything is out of date

I can afford to get it.

Just tried getting the crafted Galleymaster's Frying pan.

And I'm just being told to wait for this patch and that patch...

How are people supposed to get anywhere.

I'm tired of getting everything when it's been out months and has gone cheap enough to buy.

Where's the balance?

This is why most people avoid MMO's. Clock watch in game for an unspoiled node, clock watch out of game for some miracle patch. You become a slave to the game.

You dont need the Galleymaster's Frying Pan. The i170 (Dyable) crafted gear/tools are meant to be created by the advanced crafters who have the skill and stats to complete them. These crafters have put in months/years of work, honing their rotations, learning the ins and outs of crafting as a whole.

SE incoporated 2 progression paths for crafters in HW. The Hardcore Route (GalleyMaster) and the Casual route (GalleyKeep). Rather than risking countless millions of gil on matts and materia to pentameld, SE intends casual crafters like yourself to instead purchase the i180 variants with RedScrips (3-4 weeks worth i believe) in order to avoid these costs.

You asked where is the balance? Perhaps you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking yourself which pool of players you fall under (Casual or Advanced) and then start your gear progression.

The answer is clear to me, as any Advanced crafter worth their salt wouldnt even be considering gearing their Culinarian until after all of their other classes. So that being said, cap your Weekly Crafting Red Scrips, Create a 550+ Collectibiliy Culinarian Counterfoil and then purchase i180 Culinarian gear to your hearts desire from the Vendors at Idlyshire.

Just because its there, doesnt mean your entitled to it. Put in the work, and you'll reap the rewards.

I'd say get it, I mean is there gonna be a new upgrade item for CUL in the next patch? as fare as I'm aware there isn't and if there was you most likely gonna need the current Frying pan to get the next one. So go for it.

I'm trying really hard to be the best I can be. I'm already making 1 star HQ food. But I also want the Crafted frying pan to go with my crafted Wrapped Adamantite Culinary Knife (HQ). I don't want it in six months, I can get the red script one by then.

I've only played this game for 10 - 11 months. I got Heavensward the same time as everyone else and I'm just playing catch up 24/7

You can try making the pan if you have multiple craft and gather classes at lv60, takes a while to get the materials, and craft classes need enough melds to meet minimum requirement for 2-star lv60 synth.

If you are looking at buying something, that suggests you are trying to get it off of the Marketboard. Checking your Lodestone profile reinforces this, as your Blacksmith level is very low and your Armorer level is also low.

TC, I'd take a long hard look at the differences between the HQ crafted i170 MH tool and the red scrip bought i180 tool, factoring in how you intend to meld. Then I'd get BSM to 50 and ARM to 60 before trying to make the frying pan, if you decide on the i170 tool.

Personally, unless and until Tier V Materia become readily available (as readily available as Tier IV Materia are now) I cannot see the i170 piece being better, but that is a decision you have to make for yourself, on a piece-by-piece basis.

Well if this is the case, It has an hardcore mode and a casual mode.

And I'm a casual gamer. I can't get the so called Hardcore Armor.

But I'm charged exactly the same as every single one of you, yet I'm not entitled to nothing because I'm a casual gamer. I play this game and I work as hard at is as anyone else. Why am I being peanalized for it?

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I play this game and I work as hard at is as anyone else. Why am I being peanalized for it?

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Do you have all crafting classes at 60?
Do you have a Miner or BTN or Fisher at 60?
Do you own a set of HQ i150 Crafted Gear?
Do you own a set of HQ i150 Gathering Gear?
Did you invest millions of gil worth of materia to Pentamelded this gear to 2star requirements?
Do you cap Red Gathering Scrips every week with your BTN or Miner or FSH?
Have you been sacrificing these scrips every week at the expense of your gatherers gear progression to purchase crafing materials?
Have you been gathering favor matts at an avg of 3-5 hours per week since the launch of the patch?
Do you have a reliable 1star and 2star crafting rotation?
Do you have experience crafting 2star base materials?
Have you succesfully crafted any 2star item (NQ or HQ)?

If you answered NO to any of these questions then NO, you dont work as hard at is as anyone else because thats whats required of anyone thats even thinking of gearing their crafts with the advanced route.

You are not being penalized at all. You have a choice to pick either route depending on what suits you best. There are very minor differences stat wise between the 2 sets of gear (i170 vs. i180) however they both have COMPLETELY different time/gil investments. If you have Time/Gil and have answered Yes to all of the questions above, then whats stoping you from getting the gear that you want? The answer is nothing!

Sounds like your just upset that you cant have the Best gear because its too hard? You think your entitled to the Best gear cuz you pay the same amount of money per month as everyone else? Did i get that right?

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Well if this is the case, It has an hardcore mode and a casual mode.

And I'm a casual gamer. I can't get the so called Hardcore Armor.

But I'm charged exactly the same as every single one of you, yet I'm not entitled to nothing because I'm a casual gamer. I play this game and I work as hard at is as anyone else. Why am I being peanalized for it?

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Like all MMOs, there's quite a bit of grind involved. I don't think anyone truly likes the grind, but you do have to put in the proper amount of effort if you want to progress. You can simply do just a small amount of the grind each day and progress over a longer term. For example, it took me around 3 months to get all of my DoH classes to 50 by casually submitting a combination of NQ and HQ leves.

As for the i170 DoH gear, that takes a lot of effort to get. Once you have all of your classes ready (months of work), it'll take around 1.5-2 hours of grinding just for a mainhand tool. If you don't have the time or are not willing to put in that kind of effort, the developers have included the i180 tools, which serve the same purpose but take longer to get. As of now, there are no 2* recipes for culinarian, so that i180 tool should be top of the line for a good while yet.

I pay the same monthly sub as everyone else, but my battle gear (crafted) isn't even good enough for me to enter Alex normal. It's something that I've accepted since I haven't put in the effort for proper battle gear progression, not the fault of the developers or anyone else.

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Originally Posted by LongsunZhao

Well if this is the case, It has an hardcore mode and a casual mode.

And I'm a casual gamer. I can't get the so called Hardcore Armor.

But I'm charged exactly the same as every single one of you, yet I'm not entitled to nothing because I'm a casual gamer. I play this game and I work as hard at is as anyone else. Why am I being peanalized for it?

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You aren't being penalized. There is absolutely nothing keeping you from "Hardcore Armor" other than the time YOU are willing to commit. The content is there, you just don't have the drive to do what needs to be done to reach it. Unlike Combat Endgame, Crafting Endgame can be reached entirely on your own, without the need for assistance from any other players. I have never, not ONCE, had an Endgame Raid weapon when it was still relevant to the content. This isn't because I didn't have the ability to, or the time to commit to it, or the resources to afford food and pots, but because I've never had the drive to find a static or put in the work necessary to keep that static together and consistent. I’m a Casual when it comes to Combat, and I have no problem waiting for new gear or Relic weapon before I seriously try Alexander Savage.

To put it bluntly, how badly do you want it? Regardless of whether it feels like a chore, or takes a while, or you don't have any Gatherers leveled, you HAVE the ability to craft any 2-Star item you want for a fraction of the market cost, even if you only farm the Favor mats. Yes, this requires leveling Gathering which I can understand if you abhor it (I know I do), but this leads to the second question:

Are you willing to put in the work it takes to Craft it? It feels like a massive undertaking, but a single 2-Star item can be completed surprisingly quickly. Assuming you can Gather both MIN and BTN Favor items, a 2-Star MH requires 4 2-Star mats, which need 40 BTN and 40 MIN Favor items total. Assuming an average of 4 items per Favor, you can gather all 80 Favor items in about 2 hours. In 2 hours you can cover 90% of the cost to Craft the MH, the second best upgrade possible for your Crafting class.

Why is waiting a bad thing? As PROBOUND stated there is already an alternative available in the i180 Red Scrip turn-in MH that can be obtained with very little effort and time (If we only consider the time spent capping Red Scrips). Believe me when I say if you want to Craft 1-Star food (Or even 2-Stars) having an i170 MH is FAR from necessary. If you absolutely must have the i170 MH then 3.1 is coming out with a away to obtain Red Scrip materials through Combat rather than Gathering.

Tl;dr, There’s nothing wrong with waiting for it to get easier. If you want the best of the best ASAP you're going to have to put in the work. If you don't want to, that means YOU are the primary reason you can't reach Endgame.

if you not completionist, and you just want to craft 1 star food HQ from all NQ stuff (maybe HQ with the cheap item like yak milk for creme brulee, or dzemael tomato for seafood stew) with macro, ONLY the i170 knife and i170 Acc+i150 gear full melded is enough.

i sell the i170 from 2 month ago until now, so far the sales is bad, is not worth it. who want to pay 20-30k for a food anyway.

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if you not completionist, and you just want to craft 1 star food HQ from all NQ stuff (maybe HQ with the cheap item like yak milk for creme brulee, or dzemael tomato for seafood stew) with macro, ONLY the i170 knife and i170 Acc+i150 gear full melded is enough.

i sell the i170 from 2 month ago until now, so far the sales is bad, is not worth it. who want to pay 20-30k for a food anyway.

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I do, regularly. Seafood Stew sells anywhere from 60-90k on my server, and I go through that stuff so fast I can't be bothered to make it myself. I'd say in the past month alone I've easily blown several mil on it.

Probably single handedly funding some dudes house.

The cost of the current best tools comes down to scarcity of some of the materials involved. Certain gathering nodes can only be revealed temporarily by spending a currency we have a limited allowance of each week. It's kind of long and hard to make too, but it's that material scarcity which is making the end products in short supply and high cost.

But then if the mats were unlimited and people mass produced the fry pans and other tools, the value plummets, there wouldn't be much of a crafting endgame. So the options are just spending a lot of time getting these things now or wait for them to no longer be the best and the grind nerfed. There's always going to be a top tier of stuff that takes considerable effort. Being on the cutting edge of content, be it crafting or raiding, takes some serious dedication.

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SE incoporated 2 progression paths for crafters in HW. The Hardcore Route (GalleyMaster) and the Casual route (GalleyKeep).

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That was probably SE's idea, but I don't think it worked very well. Knowing good rotations and how crafting skills work is not a big deal...at all. The real problem with 170 gear is that it's just a huge time and gil sink and for now at least there's no reward to it. Master Books II were hardcore stuff. Much more difficult to craft those HQ items than these 2 star recipes...and still I unlocked all of them in around 2 weeks. Now I look at the list of materials I need in order to craft one single piece of gear and I just realize it's not even worth it. Being a casual or a hardcore crafter has nothing to do with it, it's more a matter of why you craft. If you craft for the sake of it, then ilvl170 gear may be a nice way to spend a lot of your time. If instead you craft to increase your wealth, 2 star recipes are just not worth it, since it's very likely that ilvl180 will be enough to be able to craft 3 and maybe even 4 star recipes.

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Just because its there, doesnt mean your entitled to it. Put in the work, and you'll reap the rewards.

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I want to quote this forever and ever :D

I checked Longsun Zhao's profile on lodestone. To be fair, guys, he does have almost all classes at lvl 60, with the exception of BSM.

However his overmelds neglect CP COMPLETELY. There's NOT A SINGLE CP added to ANY of his white gear/tools. This is in completely opposition to what I usually advice people to do. In my dictionary, CP > Craft > Control (despite the fact that Control materia is the most expensive, Craft second and CP third. So melding should start with control, craft, then max out CP in the end). I dunno how Longsun can craft 2 star items... Maybe he can, but with so few CP, it's going to be very dangerous...