For those who walk into threads with names like "Why can't this game be like Blade and Soul!??", " this game completely unfair!", "Why can't we have Viera races!?" and you think to yourself, "hm, these are some valid points, I'll give a like and add a response with some more ideas":
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Welp now your along for the ride (that is if you care about responses), because now there are those who will just shoot down your ideas like Duck Hunt while some sinister spectator laughs in the background. Those players could be just trolls, players who in particular hate change of any kind, people who don't like your ideas getting noticed and not theirs, or maybe your on someones to-mess-with list etc.
Of course some threads are doomed to be knocked down; Ones like, "This game isn't worth it" or "Its just too boring". While stating some commonly good points like some of these threads do, they are still implying that XIV isn't as great as some others would say it is and will more than likely call upon the fury of the fanbase defending their game to no avail where the post should simply be ignored to inevitably die (if not, then by a mod :p).
Another type would be ones that have more meanings to change the gameplay style, "More horizontal gear (something something)" saying the game is rather too linear and gives the players less open mindedness for a funner expirience, while others would say "Pfft, noooo BiS something something" pretty much saying players will only want the best geared players and will only be looking for specific stats making the community even more selfish and simple minded.
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God forbid that'll ever happen. XD
So, what do you think is a bad topic to discuss in these forums, or what's a good one that needs to be noticed but turned a blind eye by others?
Because honestly, I think Viera race would be pretty fricken sweet. X)
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The "Types of Threads" Thread
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11-02-2015, 08:37 PMKurogaeaThe "Types of Threads" Thread
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11-02-2015, 08:48 PMsayafrost
I like the drawing, it's cool y.y
On other stuff I actually don't have an opinion :) - but I like reading the forums when I am at work and there is no work, it's entertaining u.u/ -
11-02-2015, 09:06 PMAskaRay
I have tons of opinions...some agree, some disagree but honestly any of this discussion is fine as long as it stays civil... that last part is the one that people have trouble with.
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11-02-2015, 09:11 PMKurogaeaHmm I can agree a little there. I for one respect ideas that I don't agree with and give my points as to why, although they're are those who would do as much as to label you (directly or indirectly) as something for giving an idea. The child races for example. Some would label anything related to that topic with pedophiles or lolicons. Its terrible, yeah I know, but people do it because....idk, they don't like it. :/Quote:
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11-02-2015, 10:38 PMKuwagami
There is a huge difference between a criticism thread and a bad thread which will get shot down though.
I love debating (really debating, not 2 sides going "blah blah blah only my opinion matters" on the other one) with people about points they like or don't. Having other points of view allow people to get a better graps of what they are talking about and reach conclusions they might not have thought about, or couldn't really grasp on their own. (see the raid meta throwing career MMO tanks out of their way, various discussions about X or Y job, insights on lore, etc... or sometimes just random fluff)
Viera as an example : I'd love to see them coming, but I cannot grasp a good male design for them. Now the devs seem super reluctant to have gender-specific races, so I don't see Vieras coming any time soon. But maybe someone somewhere has an awesome male Viera design which could make me think "OK, I want that".
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11-02-2015, 11:02 PMReinha
Popular threads and topics tend to be predictable on this forum, be it in a good way or a bad way. I think it's because there is only a small amount of active posters here. Once you have read a thread on a certain subject, you have read them all.
In your opening post you didn't really take into account the possibility that neither side of a matter is 'in the right'. Gameplay related suggestions can have cons as well as pros, and for all opinions there are obviously opposing opinions. People can disagree with a post without having an agenda like you implied in the second paragraph. Unless a statement is verifiably true, it can be dismissed at will. So when the op consists of anecdotes, opinions, personal tastes, generalizations or crude assumptions, it's likely to turn into a juicy debate.
But that's ok! The purpose of a forum is to have discussions, isn't it? To bring forth your view on matters and possibly change someone else's. To answer your question, in my opinion there are no bad topics of discussion, only bad threads. Like the echo chambers without any actual discussion. Or the waste yards of personal attacks and straw men. Or the courtrooms where anyone who dares to disagree with the majority is sentenced to be ridiculed. On the other hand, the threads where all sides are heard and points are constructively criticized are a joy to read and take part in. -
11-02-2015, 11:20 PMKahnom
There are 2 types of threads in this world.
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11-02-2015, 11:20 PMKurogaeaYeah I get ya, never said a good conversational debate was bad. Some however just go on and on for terrible reasons with comments like, "it'll never happen, get over it" or they bombard the OP with insults for having the idea or it'll be bad for those who benefit from this when they're obviously talking about themselves, those are the ones I'm talking about. But yeah, debate threads are nice, I never actually found one I was interested in on this forum since most deal with lore and such; I for one likes to keep my knowledge of the lore at a given pace. Lets the mind wander you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
About the Viera thin-HOW DARE YOU DENY VIERA!! lmao jk. I actually havn't thought about that, good point dude. I did look it up just now but I wasn't to pleased at what I found, got some weird bunny man stuff going on there. X(
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11-02-2015, 11:26 PMMikhaill
Why would anyone want this game to be like Blade and Soul?
Besides the graphics, the actual combat is so boring and there is no Trinity,
the gear/loot system is awful, and features nothing new into the MMO world.
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11-02-2015, 11:34 PMGreven
What I think is generally bad is making a new thread of some subject that is already discussed in another thread, making a mess and making both, if not more, less relevant and spread the focus. Another really bad thing is people who can't write thread titles: the title should tell what's the post is about in few words, everything like "why", " this game no good" but then it speaks about a secondary meaningless option the game offers or not, or even titles so long they get cut by default. I honestly prefer the troll or funny threads as they are doomed anyway but bring some laugh at least.
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11-02-2015, 11:36 PMKurogaeaLol, dude don't ask me. As fun as Blade and Souls combat system I didn't find the story very interesting, but its all opinion, besides that's not what my point was. People should be able to discuss these things on equal grounds without coming to rude comments and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikhaill
For example, the game may not have the trinity, but that would mean every class would be as good as the other but with different abilities they can bring to the table. Its an odd concept now since 14 doesn't play like that, it'd be like playing an entirely different game. (btw, this isn't an opening to say "the just play that game, stop complaining)"The topic should be discussed on how it would affect the game and give reasonable points and criticisms. Like that :) -
11-02-2015, 11:44 PMMikhaillIt's a hit or miss for people, like myself. I hate games without trinity. Unless you like to DPS purely with tiiiiiiny bit of support then people who like to support/heal/tankQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
are bummed out...Such as GW2. The 'everyone does all / jack of all trades' thing makes everything super boring and a zerg run.
I liked the story, but hate the gameplay in BnS but yea, I digress and was just curious. [Lyn Summoners are cute though!]
I can know how to talk to people, have civil discussions and apologize when I am wrong. But people on these forums can't some times
and they have to be right all the time and knock you down for every little thing.
An example for me is a guy named Mimilu had cool class concepts and people started being a tool about it and he took so much
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11-03-2015, 01:08 AMKurogaeaOh btw, I didn't draw that. I found in on fanart somewhere on in my google searches. Pretty neat art style, kinda reminds me of Wild Star a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sayafrost
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11-03-2015, 06:16 AMMugenMugetsu
This is in no way meant to be negative, but unfortunately Yoshi P has shot down the idea of introducing Viera as a playable race in XIV. If memory serves me, he stated that because we already have Miqo'te and, because Viera would not be very different than Miqo'te, he is not interested in adding Viera to the game. I find that somewhat disappointing. Not that I care to play as a Viera, but simply because there is such a huge demand for Viera to be a playable race.
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11-03-2015, 06:23 AMAlphaFoxI agree, after hearing all the hype and clamor for it I was actually excited when I got my closed beta key. Played about 2 hours, tried two different classes, bored me to death and havn't touch it since.Quote:
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11-03-2015, 07:46 AMKetsuyameNow.. I love FFXIV as much as the next guy but "BnS combat is boring" is a first. Have you ever played it? It's by far he most intuitive, complex and satisfying combat i've ever played in an MMO. From the countering system to the combos, its definitely top notch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikhaill
No need to bash another game due to your distaste for it. But let me tell you this: FFXIV combat is slow.. Like SLOW. A monk with 670 skill speed, all 3 GL stacks and a fiber optic LAN connection couldn't help the pace of the combat in this game. Just telling it like it is. u_u
And you're going to have a bias against it due to you disliking any MMO's that lack the trinity.. You see where i'm getting at here?
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11-03-2015, 02:48 PMAmelia_Pond_Behemoth
I've made a few different types of thread. As a newbie, I started on with hempen thread, moved up to cotton, dew, linen, and woolen. I'm not high enough to make other threads yet.
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11-03-2015, 02:58 PMKurogaeaI'm sure he meant no offense dude. We all have our own opinions afterall. Personal preferences is also something to take in mind. I may not like XIV's combat system, but it is well balanced and provides exactly what we expect from it, not too much but not too less, and I often participate in discussion threads about combat systems that would just be cool in XIV.Quote:
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Anyways, yeah Blade and Souls combat was awesome, but you know what combat system might be even more awesome? DMC4s. Can you imagine that in an MMO? I'd lose my friggen mind if that happened. One game was kinda going for that named Rusty Hearts but sadly it closed down, bummer :( -
11-03-2015, 02:59 PMKurogaeahttp://i.imgur.com/Rtd0qf0.gifQuote:
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11-03-2015, 03:04 PMSlappahI will never get enough of this gif, it's just too good I literally lol every time I see it.Quote:
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11-03-2015, 03:16 PMKurogaeaMan that blows. Wonder what he thought when he made the Au Ra when the males look exactly like elezens with skin defects and an elongated spinal cord, while the females look like hyurs with the same physical conditions and took Japanese Culture classes and completely immigrated themselves. Idk, I think Yoshi just has some sort of bias against Vieras or something. oh wells :/ Best to someone to come up with they're own race now. Asking anything in the FF franchise could be disappointing at this point.Quote:
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Ugh...I can hear Yoshi mocking me now
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11-03-2015, 03:25 PMWhiteroom
Parser threads are the best type of threads.