Legitimate Question:

How, as a SCH at 60, am I supposed to heal my MT and OT while attempting DPSing in 8-man Raids when they're both wearing full strength gear and have their stats specc'd to strength?

I'm not bashing, I'm legitimately curious, because I'd like to be more useful but as soon as I swap to cleric stance they're already down to far below half health. Any tips from the good healers around here?

Your WHM/AST should be healing while you DPS as much as possible, swapping out of cleric stance for tank busters or massive aoe damage.

A1S you should DPS full time until split, and your fair share after the split. WHM can solo heal that part in i190 while DPSing.
A2S you should DPS up until Jagd phase no ifs/ands/buts about it, at best only stopping DPS to let your co-healer get their DoTs up after you've Baned. During Jagd after everything's stabilized, get your DoTs up then let the other healer get his DoTs up. The rest of the fight is varied based on stuns and strat and who tanks what.
A3S you should mostly DPS until the tornado phase, with the random Succor/Adlo here or there. Final phase you should do whatever you're comfortable with, at the least right after the boss is back and some time after the Protean + Sluice mechanic.
A4S you should be DPSing about 70% of the fight or so. Only Jagd phase is scary.

To DPS you need a good co-healer, an Embrace spam macro, liberal E4E/Virus usage when applicable, and intimate knowledge of the fight so you know when you need to drop Cleric Stance to help out when it's a bit risky to let your co-healer solo, usually to Adlo/Succor/Indom.

Okay, thanks for the tips. Any other advice is very welcome as well. I'll try this out, though and see where it gets me ^^.

Yeah, it's basically not really in your control. You need a good co-healer otherwise you can't.

Rouse + Whispering Dawn buys you quite a bit of room to DPS usually, even more so with E4E and maybe an Adlo before going into Cleric Stance. I have Rouse and Whispering Dawn macro'd together since they are both 60 second cooldowns and I really can't come up with a realistic scenario where I would want one but not both.

I'm not sure how far that will get you in Savage (since I haven't done any savage stuff) but that works great on everything else.

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Originally Posted by RedHerb

How, as a SCH at 60, am I supposed to heal my MT and OT while attempting DPSing in 8-man Raids when they're both wearing full strength gear and have their stats specc'd to strength?

I'm not bashing, I'm legitimately curious, because I'd like to be more useful but as soon as I swap to cleric stance they're already down to far below half health. Any tips from the good healers around here?

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Same way you do with full vit tanks, except it's easier because their self heals actually do something.

Which is to say you don't, you just let the WHM do it for you.

This is why I prefer to play WHM over the other two, so I can focus healing. I dislike DPS'ing as WHM, so when we NEED more dps, I'll just ask if I can go NIN while someone else heal.

okay, thank you all so much for the feedback ^^.

I tried it tonight in my static and it went very well, the feedback helped a lot. (=u=)b

As a scholar we now heal a lot less than before but do far more DPS !
And being forced to heal both MT and OT in full STR...this is a no ! Impossible !

How could they survive tank buster ? War ?
They need at least 17 000 to be safe... Maybe less if their heal have experience and know the fight and with additionnal buff (BLM's Apok, enhanced virus, disable, mch malus, mnk/war malus)

Ah I love those heartattack moments in A1S when you just used swift for Shadowflare your coheal lags and dies to Spaser and you are right before prey + tankbuster... you can solo the double prey + buster if you have full Aetherflow and one tank uses his ultimate (especially Hallowed OP) but yea you prefer never to be in that situation :/

In general even as SCH heal > DPS there is no point in losing a raid because your coheal isn't that good, lags, is distracted, has a headache or other stuff just because you are supposed to DPS. Last weeks A1S our WHM lagged and after phase 1 I only managed 2 Shadowflare and a handful DoTs because had to make up for lacking AoE heals. My overall DPS was utter crap but we cleared and thats what matters in the end.

This is why I won't be doing Savage on my SCH and will now be gearing my AST to run it. I don't want to DPS 70% of the entire raid..for that I would just go on my DPS class. Healer dps should be optional and not required and for SCH in Savage it is required.

I'm doing A1S in AST
But prefer A2S as SCH
Still don't know for the next one w.w gonna try SCH for the next A3S

AST is much more easier for A1S, because you can solo heal the first part and the prey are a joke with synastrie
But in A2S, the DPS of the SCH is good (since we do not have smn yet)