Hi everyone!
Me and a group of friends decided to put together a basic tank guide for new players. We have lots of friends who decided to play the game so we thought writing a guide would be helpful. If anyone has any inputs on it to make it better that would be great!
We welcome criticisms! We want to make a guide that would be helpful for new tanks :)
http://www.thesebie.com/2015/10/17/f...tanking-guide/
Thanks for reading~
Basic Tank Guide :D
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10-22-2015, 02:53 PMKojiroSasakiBasic Tank Guide :D
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10-22-2015, 04:12 PMKuzonoha
This was a great read. I'm a fresh tank and I got some good stuff out of this :) It's worded well and easy to grasp.
Criticisms...I think it would be good to talk about the emnity generating skills. Like how much emnity can be generated by using a rotation skill like savage blade. Definitely a great description with Provoke, maybe you speak about Flash and Overpower some? Sometimes as a beginner I wind up either panicking and spamming flash too much or I wind up using it too little and losing mobs. It's probably more my lack of experience and not having a tank stance yet...
Pardon me if this doesn't make sense...three in the morning here lol. Thanks for reading! -
10-23-2015, 12:50 AMRalvenomThat's a good recommendation. Could even flesh it out to discuss "AoE tanking" a tiny bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuzonoha
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10-23-2015, 02:22 AMkarateorangutang
It's more thourough then I would have guessed. I guess my only little grips is in the paladins con section. I would leave out the magic damage thing as all of their active cooldowns with the exception of bulwark affect magic damage. Sentinel, rampart, and awareness all still apply.
Maybe just a reword so that it doesnt seem like it cant mitigate magic damage at all. Just is a little misleading. Although they do have the hardest time with it. -
10-23-2015, 03:06 AMMrsFluffyButt
If DRK has the weakest physical defense, then I'm the Pope. Correction: DRK has the highest magical defense (You were right!), though more vulnerable than the PLD, DRK is much more sturdy than WAR on all accounts.
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10-23-2015, 03:19 AMRhaisThis statement is completely innaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsFluffyButt
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10-23-2015, 03:23 AMMrsFluffyButt
Nah. Just because a WAR can inner beast practically 24/7 doesn't make it any sturdier.
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10-23-2015, 03:25 AMkarateorangutang
not that it matters, Just a few adjustments to enmity and DRG could practically tank everything outside of savage....
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10-23-2015, 03:25 AMExodus_Kenpachi-______________-Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsFluffyButt
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10-23-2015, 03:28 AMRalvenomYou're quite silly. WAR's CDs can more handle all dmg overall. DRK's CDs are more geared towards magic def. Fact is, a good WAR is going to be better at mitigating dmg overall than a DRK, simply because of the toolset. Plus, Holmgang > Living Dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsFluffyButt
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10-23-2015, 03:29 AMMrsFluffyButt
So much flack from WAR's for saying how it is :-)
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10-23-2015, 03:33 AMkarateorangutang
Fortunately, everything outside of savage hits like a wet noodle, so I can still tank in DPS stance with my lackluster CD's.
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10-23-2015, 03:36 AMMrsFluffyButtAlso, how can you say 'DRK's CDs are more geared towars magic def.' When WAR is literally the only tank class you have levelled? I smell an angry, insulted community sheep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralvenom
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10-23-2015, 05:40 AMkoroko220
Good guide :) only thing is I don't believe you mention flash. That's a pretty big part of tanking.
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10-23-2015, 04:03 PMSyzygian
I swear, WAR mains that frequent these forums can smell anyone suggesting another tank can do anything even close to as good as they can from across Eorzea.
My guess as to what the person all the WAR mains are upset about meant is that because Grit is actual damage reduction and does not require healing input to reach its full eHP potential like Defiance, a DRK could be said to be sturdier (but not really). WAR is very balanced when it comes to mitigating damage though.
At the end of the day all the tanks are equal where it matters: clearing the hardest content in the game without dying. There's not one of them that literally stonewalls in a relevant end-game encounter because they simply cannot cope with the damage. -
10-23-2015, 08:29 PMwinsock
Nice guide. Some feedback:
In the class description for GLD, I might add a comment or two about GLD crossclass class skills, especially something about how every tank will eventually require provoke. When I was on the fence about which tank class to start with, that info sold me. In the end I preferred WAR, but don't regret starting with GLD.
I might also add something in the section about initiating pulls to lead with a ranged ability. And that to many dps players, the initial ranged attack is an unspoken signal of which mob you'd like focused first. -
10-23-2015, 11:21 PMSida
Since this came as a surprise to some tanks back in time, maybe add this mention to chain pulling paragraph. There is different mana/health regeneration rate in combat and out of combat, and if tanks chain pull without letting the combat mode end, it ensures a healer who was out of mana, will be out of mana, come next mob. While this is not always an issue, it's good for the tank to be awate of and make note on before charging forward. Especially WHM gets the Shroud fairly late and before that have no real methods to get their mana back.
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10-23-2015, 11:48 PMExodus_KenpachiWe just have a hard time with pants-shittingly stupid comments that are not based in any sort of logic or fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
On thr flip side I really need to start letting those comments really get going so that way maybe WAR will get buffed (lol).
Here let me start:
Fell Cleave doesn't hit hard enough, Inner Beast needs a longer duration, Turning on Defiance should heal the additional HP I am granted, Maim needs to be buffed to 25%, Berserk needs to lose pacification, Fracture needs to be a 100 pot DoT, Decimate needs to be 500 potency.
We need all this because DrK is obviously more sturdy than WAR. -
10-24-2015, 04:42 AMLan_MantearHear, hear! Preach on, brother!Quote:
Originally Posted by Exodus_Kenpachi
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10-24-2015, 05:40 AMGorlioliolio
Pfft Wars are only more sturdy because the only way to max dps is to use your defensive CDs, it's a passive side effect of doing slightly more dps than us drks and just isn't fair.
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10-24-2015, 08:18 AMecyrik
Great overview! Any plans for accompanying video segments?
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10-25-2015, 02:51 AMArkenne
On regards to communication, a good tip for speedrunning would be to have the waymarks at hand.
You can use it to signal "here is where I will stop", so your party is ready for the heals and AoEing.
It is also useful to say "wait here".
Its much easer for people to know where to place their Shadowflares or alike too... -
10-28-2015, 11:25 AMKojiroSasaki
Thanks all for your feedback. In the future we do plan to do some videos, please look forward to it! :D
We've updated our guide as well to include your feedback. Please feel free to drop anymore suggestion or feedback :) -
10-29-2015, 12:22 AMKacho_NachoHi KojiroSasaki! I was wondering if it would be a good idea to discuss how to allocate your bonus attribute points while leveling up. I'm leveling a gladiator and would appreciate the advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KojiroSasaki
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10-29-2015, 12:50 AMArchaellKeeping your gear updated is more important than the attribute points. I would go with: "Do you want to make your healer's live easier?" Vitality. "Do you want to make your enmity management easier?" Str. I usually go with 2 str for 1 vit ratio as during leveling sometimes you have to fight against level synced dps players and extra enmity helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho
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10-29-2015, 02:00 AMSpookyGhost
VIT = need more health
STR = already have enough health