new players making money...ouch.

I just recently re-rolled on a new server to play with a couple friends. It didnt take long until i hit around my teens level-wise before i needed to upgrade my gear (seeing as how it counts way more....and it shows)

the problem? prices are sky high on even the low end gear. 50k for a brass spear? 70k for a basic harness? making money off of leves really doesnt cover it anymore and NPCing stuff barely helps. Im now on the Lindblum(sp?) server. If someone like me who knows how to play this game is having a VERY hard to making gil to buy things....how is it for actuall new people?

i can imagine people getting frustrated quick because that lvl 10 or 15 piece of gear is WAY out of their league price wise. I really think this is going to hurt anyone who jumps into this game fresh, or comes back and isnt loaded in the pockets (i was rolling with 2mil on my character on mysidia)

any new players or fresh rollers having troubles too>

Freshly made character, transferred 4 million onto my new character, and I am currently at 4.3mil in currency.

I have been doing tonnes of quests, and have found a very lucrative money maker which is easily doable at any level, providing you can creatures up to around rank 10 :)

No issues here, as I haven't even dipped into my actual sent gil yet.

The current economy works both ways.

Iron ingots have been selling for 3k on the Marketplace. They cost 1,5k bought from NPC.

Shards can net you 50k for 15mins of leveling.

Low level equipment sells for substantial profit in the wards, even when made through NPC mats.

I've made 200k so far, and my friend who gathers a bit has made 800k or so. Both of us started from scratch.

Farm shards and crystal, sell it @ the market wards.

Everyone complains about the cost of weapons/armor but nobody cares to notice the cost of materials

On our server, a few hours of farming the Ewe's right outside the gate in limsa can make you a mil.

There really shouldn't be too many problems making gil as a new player now. A good portion of items that are, and will be, selling for decent amounts are available at 1-10. Pick up a sledgehammer, wand or sword and go outside LL.

For a year, people have had absolutely no gil troubles in this game because leves gave out currency like candy and the economy was completely stagnated so there was nothing to spend on except fluke HQs. 1.19 brought a purpose for NQ equipment in the process of conversion and also slashed the leve gil handout further since 1.18 initially did it.

People are feeling poor now because there is actually demand in the economy. We are going to have to work for currency in FFXIV now. As someone already said earlier in the topic, some effort put into farming garnered a lot of gil. Inb4 "MMORPGs shouldn't be work and forcing players to do anything other than have fun is not what they want to pay for."

i think part of it is how often things are changing right now. recipes, drops, monsters and their spawns. Stuff keeps changing so keeping the econemy stable (especially with no way of knowing how much things are worth at a quick glance makes things all wonky (saw a piece of gear for 7k and 5 listings down 50k)

make your money now folks, its just going to keep flip floping until the games in a stable condition (less major changes like the map and classes and all that)

I think a very profitable way to make money right now is to make low level gear and sell it for reasonable prices - there are many people with the same problem as Zanfire, and I think that higher level players can both help these players out and make a fair return on their effort at the same time.

There are a lot of lv 1-20ish gears that sell by npcs in adv guild. Try to check it, it might lot cheaper than in ward.
Also, shard farming is a good source of money too.
Try to buy thing from npc and sell in ward is good too.
Or, If you like, go mining,logging and sell raw mat.
Or try go fishing and craft fish to shard and sell it
You can also go to Limsa and buy fish from npc and use alc to make shard without need of fishing, but you might to calculate cost-profit first.

Don't bother leveling other doh job...it using lot of money and low level gear didn't sell well.

Almost forgot, you can buy skin ( sheep,dodo,aulgoat etc ) from grinadia and sell them in uldah. There are lot of lazy rich crafters and lazy to read crafters too.

Use this update list to find what item sell by which npc. You will amaze that lot of item can buy from npc at very lower price than ward

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...238#post359238

Also, a fair amount of the 'in demand' mats for rank 40+ gears can be farmed by a character in the 20's range. Before that, shards can be your bread and butter. Lastly, while I realize crafting/gathering isn't everyone's cup of tea, it is possible to do both via leves and not use your own mats. But ranking either can and will net you some gils, sometimes fairly quickly I might add.

Another tactic, if you're a newer, lower ranked player, join a social ls that has a couple crafters. Ask the crafters what mats, etc they need. If you are able, go farm for them. If you supply ls crafters with mats they need, they usually supply you with the gears you need. And depending on the crafter/linshell and your gathering/farming abilities, this could net you 'free gear' :)

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Another tactic, if you're a newer, lower ranked player, join a social ls that has a couple crafters. Ask the crafters what mats, etc they need. If you are able, go farm for them. If you supply ls crafters with mats they need, they usually supply you with the gears you need. And depending on the crafter/linshell and your gathering/farming abilities, this could net you 'free gear'

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^ This is totally true. I pay lowbies to get earth shards and nuggets (Ores now) for me.

Petdo, you do make an excellent suggestion for many players starting out, but other DoH jobs do make money, albeit with more time invested.

Still, your suggestion that players learn how to create their own shards is a good one, and personally i've saved untold amounts by breaking down fish and crystals. The only drawback is that this process is actually about triple the time- sucker compared to other DoH, since you're not gaining anything once past XP levels for these synths, and solely to support other crafts.

I don't believe it was really any different for people who've been at it since the start. Those nasty crafters had us paying probably quadruple what things cost now.

level botany fishing or mining... you won't be broke long

Farm the new dungeon outside limsa, it'll give you gear to sell and gear to wear.

I spent all weekend Mining, and not much else. I shudder to think how much I could get selling all the ore I mined, much less the shards. Mind you, I started at 13 MIN and finished at 31 MIN, with very few leves or scrolls (4 of each, actually). I also broke to do the Ifrit chain, farm some boar hides, and the MIN quests.

Long story short, if you need money, DoL is where it's at.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

I don't believe it was really any different for people who've been at it since the start. Those nasty crafters had us paying probably quadruple what things cost now.

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Feel free to level the crafting class yourself.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Feel free to level the crafting class yourself.

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Nope, not when I can make all I need and much much more pricing them their materials now. :)

I bought all my starter gear from NPC's to begin with since that stuff is rare to see in the wards to begin with.

AH please so that we get more sellers to this economy. I never sell anything because it's not worth the hassle tbh.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I bought all my starter gear from NPC's to begin with since that stuff is rare to see in the wards to begin with.

AH please so that we get more sellers to this economy. I never sell anything because it's not worth the hassle tbh.

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I almost always keep stock of lower level materials...which...come to think of it, is probably why i'm maxed out again. Lol. Anyhow, making and selling lower level gear wouldn't be a problem, and would become profitable again if we had freakin' delivery services.

How many times have you thought:

"Gee, I could hang on to these 12 XxX's and make some nice stuff and a nice coin...but...I don't have any space. I guess I could mule them...but omg...that's like 20 minutes and i've got dinner with family/friends/inflatable partner in ten. Forget it!"

No delivery system after a year still baffles me.

Oh delivery...how we miss thee. :(