Im new to this game, i have been playing for a month, and i want to share some weird things i've seen with the game options/mechanics that seemed VERY weird to me!
- You see every one's damage numbers, this is not weird on it's own but the fact that you can not turn it off, when im in big groups it is more a big mess than an information source. I can't see why there's not an option to modify/disable this.
-I can't disable chocobos name plates without having to disable people's names. When im on a fate there's 10 people each with their chocobo, it is a nuisance when im trying to target something.
-Can't disable the combat music without having to disable the whole music. This is weird on it's own.
-You are under the optimal level of a fate, but the fate mob levels are under yours, and you exp reward is lower even if you solo half of the FATE.
This game has some weird things.
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10-19-2015, 12:31 AMBlacknallaThis game has some weird things.
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10-19-2015, 12:33 AMBlacknalla
-Instant spells, are not realy instant, some spells like damage boost cooldowns have a big delay to make efect, and feels very slow when you have to use a few of them at the same time.
-Melee classes animations, makes you slide when you move while performing an instant attack, example: Dragoon, Dark Knight. It just feels very wrong.
- When i'm flying, mobs attacks me as if i were on the ground :|
- The first character you level feels like you are forced to do it without friends, despite playing on an online game, there's a lot of of things that you are forced to do alone, like duty roulettes, story quest, some quest scenarios.
- Targeting with TAB. I used the tab key to target very often, but it usually targets mobs that are at long distance instead the ones im in combat with or are closer to me.
Sometimes it feels like this game is a pizza restaurant that only sells pepperoni pizza, and you can't ask for a pizza with other ingredients. -
10-19-2015, 12:43 AMEye_Gore
Mobs targeting you while flying is because you are still in their line of sight. It doesn't know if you are flying or not, its just a target register, fly higher. The FATE level thing though, I am assuming its because if the mobs were at the level of the FATE there are so many of them you may have a difficult time soloing them. Damage numbers I've become immune to, don't even see them anymore.
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10-19-2015, 12:53 AMFailia
Tab targeting - If you angle your camera it so that it's over you, it may help. It would limit how many you see.
Animations - they were a lot more fluid in 1.0 I hear (I wasn't here then) but it was changed in 2.0 for performance reasons. -
10-19-2015, 01:36 AMBerethos
Regarding melee animations - this is a compromise, basically. They have the animation play out without interrupting it or attempting some wonky moving of the legs and feet while the upper body is doing things while still allowing the player to move. 1.0 was more "fluid" in this regard in that you wouldn't see sliding, but that's because the entire animation locked you in place and had to complete before you could move again.
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10-19-2015, 01:38 AMBerethosI think it was more the game engine was changed for performance reasons, and how the current adaptation of the Luminous Engine that 2.0 uses does various animations is different than how Crystal Works (the engine for 1.0) does it. Plus design decisions like having animation lock or not having animation lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Failia
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10-19-2015, 02:04 AMRiardon
I agree that those are weird. I hate the animations on melees. Especially as Dark Knight they are so abvious you are sliding and skating on the ground every time you try to move. This is so wrong and ugly. I know they did it for performance reasons but this has to change and tweaked at the very least. I hope a Dev sees this thread too. The damage numbers are also weird and cluttering the screen for no reason. I also want some thing to be removed like the classes and keep only jobs. And the stupid birthdate/deity thing on the character creation which serves no purpose in game.
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10-19-2015, 02:10 AMStrejdaTomThe animations are a huge issue for me and kinda the only reason why I am not playing any melee actively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riardon
Problem is, that they are only QoL thing and also not mentioned much by players, so they won't probably get addressed. -
10-19-2015, 02:17 AMFelisAlso don't forget animation-lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Failia
During 1.x the character was forced to stand on place until the animation ended. If you activated a skill some seconds before Ifrit casted eruption under your feet you died because you couldn't run away. -
10-19-2015, 03:29 AMSelli
Tbh, I'd rather slide around than be animation locked. Tanks would be so much more annoying to heal if using Flash or Unleased made them pause, take damage, and then they continued running.
Everything else I agree with. Especially the numbers. You can either have them all on or all off, there's no in between like battle effects. Flying text for 8+ people makes me lag, but I do like to see my heals or my DPS or what procs I'm getting, but I don't really need or want to see everyone else's. On the bright side, since I have them off all the time, I just like to pretend all my attacks hit 100% on raid bosses and that all my SCH and AST heals crit. XD -
10-19-2015, 03:45 AMZojhaSame. Especially as Monk. I imagine it'd be near impossible to hit all your positionals with GL3 if you animations locked you in place all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Selli
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10-19-2015, 03:51 AMAshkendorI never even realized you can't turn this off. It doesn't bother me all that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacknalla
I just disable people's names outside my party. I don't need to know their names. If they shout for something, I can target them from that. If they're on my friends list, their name is displayed. It's much easier to get to the summoning bell in town, that's for sure.Quote:
-I can't disable chocobos name plates without having to disable people's names. When im on a fate there's 10 people each with their chocobo, it is a nuisance when im trying to target something.
Pretty sure that they've said they're working on this.Quote:
-Can't disable the combat music without having to disable the whole music. This is weird on it's own.
This really only applies to multi-mob FATEs. The exp scaling applies from the level of the FATE rather than the level of the mobs contained in it. There's simply a hard cap on how much exp you can get from a single FATE at any given level.Quote:
-You are under the optimal level of a fate, but the fate mob levels are under yours, and you exp reward is lower even if you solo half of the FATE.
I'll take ice skating over animation lock any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacknalla
Fly higher and/or stay out of their line of sight and they won't attack you.Quote:
- When i'm flying, mobs attacks me as if i were on the ground :|
If we had more difficult encounters aimed at parties, people would complain that solo players are discouraged from even leveling.Quote:
- The first character you level feels like you are forced to do it without friends, despite playing on an online game, there's a lot of of things that you are forced to do alone, like duty roulettes, story quest, some quest scenarios.
SE can't really win either way with this one.
Yeah, tab targeting is wonky as hell. I end up clicking half the time to get the right mob.Quote:
- Targeting with TAB. I used the tab key to target very often, but it usually targets mobs that are at long distance instead the ones im in combat with or are closer to me.
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10-19-2015, 04:21 AMRin_Sato
Lalafell first person camera is still not correctly aligned to eye-level
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10-19-2015, 05:38 AMDhexOpen Character Config menu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacknalla
Go to Log Window Settings -> "Log Filters" -> Battle Tab -> Uncheck any damage or combat message you don't want to see.
Additionally open UI settings and uncheck Display flying text under HUD.
"Display Name Settings" -> Others tab -> Adjust name & HP bar settings accordingly.
"Control Settings" -> Filter -> Target Filter Settings -> Adjust accordingly.
"Control Settings" -> Target -> Click Filter Targets -> Adjust accordingly.
System Menu -> Keybind -> Targeting -> Adjust your Cycle through Enemies keys -
10-19-2015, 05:57 AMKalsam
You can edit a post to make it longer, just as an FYI :D
I'm just gonna run through each, just cause it'll be easier to give my thoughts on each bullet point in order.
Damage Numbers - Never really bothered me personally. But then, I'm rarely paying attention to such quick flyby things, that even in other games, with mods I'll move the flying numbers way off to the sides. lol
Chocobo Names - Hadn't actually noticed this one until you mentioned it. After years of playing games where one colour meant Not-PvP-Flagged and another meant PvP-Flagged... I just kinda ignored it.
Combat Music - Can't comment, as I turn off all the music in game anyway. After listening to it the first couple weeks, I got bored of it and just play my own music.
FATE Level - This is more due to the way they want to have you progress. Every level below a FATE will reduce the Experience by something like 2-3%. This is to encourage you to find FATEs in your level range. Kind of annoying, but I can see the merits to keep every area with FATEs a bit more active.
Instant Spells - Oy vey... This one is a huge complaint in the tanking community. Specifically for our 'invincible' Cooldowns. Would be really nice if they went off at the beginning, but still played the animation. >.O
Melee Classes Animation - This actually happens in every game with animations for character attacks. (Which is... all of them?) It's just less noticeable in most others because we don't move as much.
This is because when the developers are designing the attack animations, the character is set to a 'ready' pose, animated and returned to the 'ready' pose. If you actually jump nearly constantly while fighting on a melee class in FFXIV, you don't see the 'slide' as often cause you keep interupting the attack animation with a jump animation. (A few still lock in, giving the attack animation, but it's less than if you're not jumping. In fact, one some classes, you can actually get some pretty sweet looking 'moves' by jumping when you're attacking on the move. lol)
Flying - This happens in a fair amount of games. FFXIV just has a slightly higher range in the Z axis for mobs to attack in due to some combats with motion/movement. Just fly a little higher.
Solo!MMO - They went too much with the idea of a singular hero (ie: you) for the story. Meaning that to put others into the storyline, you'd suddenly lose your status as the hero in the story. Very few games have managed to actually make the idea of 'You the Hero' work, without breaking the storyline. =\ Even WoW's had to go to a more solo route lately (Garrisons) due to how important your character's now become in the story. Kinda hard to be a champion when everyone else is one too. :P
Tab Targetting - I agree, the prioritizing on this needs to be switched to 'closest to character' over 'closest to camera'. Currently the only way to get around this atm is to move your camera with Free Look to a position that forces the tabbing in the method you want. (ie: Pull, run through and make sure your field of view only has what you want to fight. Or use a top-down camera.)
Edit: And the filtering options Dhex mentioned, though... as I also just mentioned, this won't always work properly in some rare cases >.O -
10-19-2015, 06:04 AMKalsamThink they wanted to just turn off other's SCT, not their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhex
Chocobo's names are tied to Players.
Rest is pretty bang on, though, occasionally you'll get that one caster mob aggro'd to ya way off to the side that you're choosing to ignore (due to CC or it's a weak enemy) anyway that it keeps tabbing to. >.O lol Which the Tab Target Filters sadly don't help with. No ignore CC option T_T -
10-19-2015, 06:19 AMDhexYou can switch TAB to Cycle Targets Nearest to Farthest, Cycle Targets Farthest to Nearest, or in it's default it will Target the Nearest enemy based on the alphabetical order available. It can be changed and adjusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalsam
Personally my directional keys are my target system Left arrow for Near to Far, Right arrow for Far to Near, Up arrow for Target nearest Enemy, and Down arrow for lock-on. Pg up is Cycle Up Through Enmity list, Pg. down is Cycle Down Through Enmity list.
Only using TAB to target is fine but there are a multitude of Targeting keybind settings that you can use to fine tune and adjust how you cycle through your targets. -
10-19-2015, 07:14 AMKalsamI've already set up a lot of my stuff for targetting, and the tab will still sometimes go to the target in the back. This is because it considers the camera to be 'you' rather than your character. And for that, for some strange reason, the camera is currently set to "facing" (which is the edges of the screen). It's a minor goof, easily fixed by switching the focus location to "character" rather than "camera" in the coding. But that's something the coders need to fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dhex
I'm used to fast tabbing regardless, as I use it in every other MMO I play. But for those just coming to the game, it can be a bit annoying seeing in your options "Tab" set up for "Cycle through Enemies (Nearest to Furthest)", and then getting a mob way off on the side. Which was what I was mentioning the lack of specific filters (ie: Ignore CC, Lowest Threat, etc.) could possibly help with. ;P -
10-19-2015, 12:46 PMDajinn
It might be "immersion breaking" that melee animations make you slide but I'd rather have that than have very generic attack abilities with just flashy FX and no choreography. The production value of some of the melee abilities is rather high compared to some other MMOs and is one of the main reasons I feel really immersed when playing. Disembowel, Chaos Thrust, Jump, SDS, DFD, Dragon Kick, and many more, would all, I believe, suffer greatly if the animations were constantly interrupted.
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10-19-2015, 12:57 PMMicahZerrshia
Character Config > Display name Settings > Others > Pet Display Name Settings > Never
that should turn off chocobo names
If you are talking about flying text for the numbers from the other players, you can disable that as well or if you mean your log, the log is completely customizable so just play in your config a bit, there is a lot there to customize -
10-19-2015, 03:13 PMKurogaeaTo be frank, they only added positionals because they removed animation locks. I wouldn't mind the lock of animation since most of the game focuses alot on lore and amazing graphics than actual gameplay. I mean mechanics just give the player something to do differently without much straying from how things are suppose to be done, its still a straight line no matter what way you look at it. Locked battle animation is like watching a movie that you planned, in contrast to unlocked animation they wanted to appeal to MMO standards without keeping what made FF so traditional, like the time based actions (though I'm sure they had that in mind). In fact both options seem the same....hm... Nothing wrong with the change though, Crisis Core is still my favorite FF game, even Dissidia's a blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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10-19-2015, 05:14 PMFelisMonks in 1.x was also positional (also every combos of the other classes) and there was animation-lock. But the fights were also slower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurogaea
That you are for animation-lock mean that you haven't played 1.0, where even pulling the weapon during running caused your character to stop for the animation ^^
And fights like Ifrit requieret perfect timing for the use of skills (last phase as an example was "wait until Ifrit do a skill, evade it, do 1 skill and not more, wait until Ifrit do his skill again") so you are not in animation-lock if you have to run. -
10-20-2015, 05:21 PMKoga_Edge
The damage numbers don't really bother me as they aren't as pronounced as yours (Even your Pet/Chocobo damage numbers are tiny and red) unless there is some sort of extreme difference between versions.
As for targeting, this game (2.0) was built around a controller(FFXI's Layout), even if you're on a PC you should probably get one. The D-pad controls the targeting, Up/Down is for friendlies, while left and right are for enemies (while in combat)
What's wrong with the combat music?
Fates have a hard cap per level, this is what it means when it mentions your reward while partaking in a fate higher than your level -
10-20-2015, 05:21 PMKoga_Edge
The animations have been worked, reworked and worked again and again. It stems from 1.0 when your didn't have enemy warning cones for their abilities (but you could still move out of the way) and much of 1.0 was standing in one spot (Such as MRD class gained a buff if they stood still for more than 15 seconds) and being animation locked. but since the enemy ability dodging became a core mechanic they opted for the loose, non-animation lock you have today
Again. 1.0 was a game that heavily and I mean HEAVILY relied on teamwork. You wanted to get a GC promotion? better go fight that big imperial machine, but bring a party first. Wanted your jobs AF body? better get an alliance.
The solo capability was added for (and focused on) the more casual players, so that people could progress with out needing a cadre of friends (like in XI).
Targeting with Tab works just as it did in XI, it cycles targets (if no target) from the left of your screen to the right. -
10-20-2015, 05:37 PMPyroxeneTry targeting using a PS controller, its even worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Blacknalla