Ravana EX epic failure.

Why is it impossible to get a clear on this thing? I've cleared it 26 times spread across 4 parties.

9/10 groups I join absolutely fail.
Why? All of these people have a previous clear. None of them can actually pull it off.

I've noticed a lot of the time a big problem is people coming on jobs they didn't clear with.

Why why why are they so bad!

I have an i196 DRK that I won't dare take in there because even with my near 30 clears I won't go in without having tanked a learning party!

There's two types of fights, assuming you're not super overgearing them.
One that pushes each class to their skill limit, and everyone does the best to their ability.
One that pushes each member of the party to collude and work together, sometimes sacrificing performing better just to follow the mechanics.

Bismarck is a good example of the first with each class needing burst DPS at specific moments.
Ravana being the second, where people need to be aware of what is going on not only to themselves but everyone else.

Some people can't do the first, some people can't do the second. Many can do both, while some can't do either!

As long as carries exist, farm parties will be failures 9 times out of 10.

I've been running this thing any time it's in PF for three weeks and gotten 4 kills

Exactly what Canadane said. It takes one person in Ravana to do something silly and wipe the entire party. Every person has to be in sync - or dead and carried.

Dont forget, at this point most good players are done with Ravana, and have been done for a while. So you have people who waited to gear up (not necessarily bad, just not as skilled), people who got carried (trying to hide that they may be a problem) and people who are bad making up the majority of those looking for Ravana.

Ask your FC for help. Ask friends. Keep using the PF if you want, but you should get legitimate help too

Some groups will always have trouble with certain things, especially if you're partying up with randoms.

This is a case with all primals or any other content, generally in the 8 man area. Honestly I remember back in the day of farming SEX and you'd get some really awesome groups that could get in multiple clears with ease and other groups you'd struggle to clear it even once and everyone would just disband.

There are a multitude of reasons for why some people might be "bad" at clearing these things though from being new, not having done them in a while, personal things, lag, ect ect.

Oh and sometimes people buy wins.

Could also do with different tactics colliding. If half the party does one method and other people do another it is always going to cause problems as well. It's best to get a static group if you want kills consistently. Think the worst thing that can happen is just as you start to form synergy someone bails out, followed by the rest.

I have not cleared Ravana Ex yet. To be fair, I've only had the chance to enter three times due to my iLv (I'm iLv189, PF groups want iLv90+ with no exceptions). The thing is, the community gave us this mentally that we have to strongly dps EVERYTHING. What happens is you get some people not paying attention and just trying to keep damage up, thus causing lots of people to get hit with his counter, get knocked out the ring, or just simply doing the wrong thing.

I'm not expert, but I learned most of the fight on my first run after our 4th wipe. I have yet to experience the phase starting with the Orbs.

*EDIT*
I consider NIN to be my main, but I like meddling with PLD. However, since I know a little of the fight as NIN, I'll keep going as NIN. I was always like that anyway, especially when joining content with random players.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Dont forget, at this point most good players are done with Ravana, and have been done for a while. So you have people who waited to gear up (not necessarily bad, just not as skilled), people who got carried (trying to hide that they may be a problem) and people who are bad making up the majority of those looking for Ravana.

Ask your FC for help. Ask friends. Keep using the PF if you want, but you should get legitimate help too

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you get this in alexander too i think
when I first did it it was the last day of the week and I failed most of the time
I was new too but probably its the leftovers that didn't get through it

Yeah, it's getting crazy. I wasn't really motivated to do Ravana Ex cause I was waiting for my friends that were ejoying the main scenario though I got a clear and few totems with randoms then I dropped it as I had no intention of levelling up other jobs, but I did in the end and now trying to get some clears out of those farms is sick.

Usually I see people killing each other during the last phase due to different strategies, an easily fixable thingg, but no they fight and disband..

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Originally Posted by _Pigzig

you get this in alexander too i think
when I first did it it was the last day of the week and I failed most of the time
I was new too but probably its the leftovers that didn't get through it

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Yeah, generally running Alex on Sun or Mon isnt the best idea unless you can carry. Though you do have some really good players running then due to schedules and all. Basically, its more a mixed bag. I'd say Wed through Fri is the best time, Sat and Tues can be iffy, though not as much as Mon or Sun.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Could also do with different tactics colliding. If half the party does one method and other people do another it is always going to cause problems as well. It's best to get a static group if you want kills consistently. Think the worst thing that can happen is just as you start to form synergy someone bails out, followed by the rest.

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I agree. This was one issue I was having back in the Second Coil days in T6. Having a static, mechanics were done a certain way. Even joining other groups, it ran the same way. Once it was accessible via Duty Finder, I just so happen to get hit first with yellow mark. I did the mechanic we were taught, but I got people killed as they were doing a different method. Sadly, not even given a second chance, they said I don't know what I'm doing before they kicked me.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I agree. This was one issue I was having back in the Second Coil days in T6. Having a static, mechanics were done a certain way. Even joining other groups, it ran the same way. Once it was accessible via Duty Finder, I just so happen to get hit first with yellow mark. I did the mechanic we were taught, but I got people killed as they were doing a different method. Sadly, not even given a second chance, they said I don't know what I'm doing before they kicked me.

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The public way of doing T6 is so bad. I feel for ya. I know those pains.