Level sync was simultaneously one of the best and worst introductions to FFXI. It allowed people of any level to play and party together, but also allowed people to never move from the same leveling spot, and led to Astral Burn. But even with the downsides, I think most people agree it made the game infinitely more playable for a whole lot of people, and was one of the more revolutionary concepts SE introduced to the MMO world.
One of Yoshida's biggest stated goals is to allow higher level players to assist their lower level friends. Level sync is/was the epitome of that. It was expressly designed for that purpose.
So my question is, why is it not present in this game? It seems to fit perfectly with Yoshida goals, and with minor tweaking from its form in FFXI, the downsides can be nearly eliminated.
Why isn't some form of Level Sync in this game?
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10-11-2011, 12:44 AMTravestyWhy isn't some form of Level Sync in this game?
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10-11-2011, 12:45 AMGramul
Because the game is still being worked on.
Next question please. -
10-11-2011, 12:52 AMTravestyHuh.Quote:
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There are a lot of things the game doesn't have yet that have been announced as "in the future plans." A level sync type feature is not among them. Same question as to why. -
10-11-2011, 01:03 AMJinko
It's not like it would work now seeing as the new team have added strict gear requirments (and looks like they may make it a standard practice) and wearing armor above your level has a massive penalty.
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10-11-2011, 01:04 AMBetelgeuzah
I think it would work rather nicely in this game, if you get more exp the higher level mobs you fight?
That essentially would encourage people to fight the highest level mobs they can. -
10-11-2011, 01:07 AMTravestyUh, in XI gear had strict requirements and you couldn't wear gear above your level period, and the system works like a charm. I don't understand your reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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10-11-2011, 01:08 AMTeakwood
I think it'd still work even if you didn't recieve stats from armour that's synced down (this is... basically how it works in XI, although I'm simplifying severely.)
Definitely agree that it'd be nice if this feature would be announced, I think it'd help make the game more fun and put it in line with its design goals.
I'd also like to see optional, perhaps reward-enhancing party-wide level caps on quests and instanced dungeons. -
10-11-2011, 01:12 AMChrees
While this isn't nearly as widespread as I'm sure you'd like to see it, they are planning on adding a level sync to instanced dungeons, such as Toto-Rak. With this in mind, I'm sure a level sync feature similar to what was in FFXI is planned for sometime in the distant future.
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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post329877Quote:
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10-11-2011, 01:13 AMMurugan
I'd rather have power leveling than Level Sync personally... Level Sync ruined so much of XI's leveling in my opinion (so many great camps/experiences lost and never seen by the newer generation).
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10-11-2011, 01:14 AMMuruganThat surprises me, but that is good news. I assume there won't be gear restrictions though because of how people whined endlessly over it for BCNM/CoP missions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrees
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10-11-2011, 01:16 AMTravestyI agree, which is why I included the caveat that the downsides could be eliminated with minor tweaks. Something like, diminishing exp returns if you level too much synced in the same level range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murugan
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10-11-2011, 03:52 AMHaibelOH LIKE SURPLUS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Travesty
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10-11-2011, 03:57 AMZaireeka2025NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Haibel
P.S. I'm down for Level Sync. This should have been in the game since FFXIV's inception (what was Tanaka smokin cuz it musta been kush). If I was making a game to succeed an older one, I would take the best qualities of the older game before it and push them right into the new game from day one. This would also shut the powerlevel fear mongers up too. -
10-11-2011, 03:58 AMKailok
That'd be a good idea, Travesty. I'd love to see Level Sync return to this game. Would be a good replacement for the PLing going on that Yoshida is okay with. He wants us to be able to play together, but I don't care if it's at 25 or level cap, I just want to be able to play with my friends.
And it would differ from surplus in the idea that it keeps you from leveling in the same level range. What this does is urge you to move forward instead. Though, I wouldn't really care if that part was added, I just want Level Sync. lol
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10-11-2011, 07:59 PMJinkoMy reasoning !! is that this game had a scaling system prior to patch 1.19 which allowed your gear to scale down (which they have now removed), now you get heavily penalised for wearing gear not at or below your current level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travesty
If there was a level sync you would get that same penalty because your gear would no longer match your level, for them to rectify this problem they would have to completely change the changes they just made which is pointless task. -
10-11-2011, 08:04 PMVahzl
I loved level sync, the only people who had a problem with it were those that didn't know where to go.
The biggest thing I loved the most about XI was there not being a forum where people hate on every single thing the game brings to the table, really improved the experience for me at least. :P -
10-11-2011, 08:20 PMPreypacerThey could just have the gear sync down as well, reducing its effective stats. They do this in XI and in other games with a similar system as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
When the topic of level sync comes up, almost without exception, the reason given is "I want to be able to play with my friends and/or family members who may have started later and are too far below my level". That is almost always the reason given and seems to be in line with what Yoshi-P wants to support as well.
However, the idea of it being (ab)used as yet another way to PL could lead to issues similar to the current PL'ing mess, which, based on a translation in another thread, certainly seems to not be what Yoshi-P had in mind. He still has that 2-3 month to 50 time frame in mind.
That being said, since the purpose is to be able to help lower level friends and family members get through content and catch up, then I think xp should be reduced down to, say, 25% for the player sync'ing down, once they're more than 10 levels or so below their own actual level.
Why this reduction? Well for the following reasons:
1. Allows the friend/family member to catch up that much more quickly. If the higher level player is gaining xp at a normal rate, then that gap is essentially never going to close until they hit level cap.
2. Mitigates the fall-out of FFXI's implementation, where high level xp'ing parties became extremely difficult to find or assemble 'cause everyone was sync'ing in Qufim Island or some other lower level area.
3. Prevents sync'ing from becoming an "all-purpose" xp'ing option in all situations. Rather, it becomes very specific to certain situations... ie. helping lower players out.
Even if it's not that specific setup.. as long as it's implemented in a way where it doesn't all but kill off high level xp parties as it did in XI (Abyssea notwithstanding... that's a different trainwreck altogether).. I think it would be great.
Now... some might scoff at this idea. However, assuming the numerous claims that it's "purely to be able to play with lower level friends and family" are genuine, and not just feigned altruism, I have a feeling many who'd be against it are those who want to power level themselves, and have very little, if any, interest in "helping anyone else".
That might seem cynical. However, the cynicism is warranted I think.
In FFXI, every hour of every day that I was logged into that game (and certainly even when I wasn't) there were people level sync'd down in Qufim Island and elsewhere, xp'ing. People I knew or knew of constantly xp'd in level sync parties and would never join higher level ones anymore. I have a very difficult time believing every single one of them was doing it "to help a friend or family member" or, were doing it as an act of altriuism, "to help some poor lowbie out".
In fact, to punctuate and underscore the issue XI's implementation brought... a number of them were sync'ing simply because that's the only way they could get xp at all. High level zones were all but dead. It became so "ingrained" in people's minds that "xp'ing = level sync" that you couldn't get them off that mindset. -
10-11-2011, 08:52 PMPreypacerPlease don't generalize. There are plenty of reasons why people didn't like level sync'ing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
Not everyone who didn't like level sync in XI "didn't know where to go". Many of us knew where we could go quite well..
We didn't like level sync' 'cause we actually enjoyed xp'ing in higher level areas. We actually enjoyed getting skillups along with xp so we didn't have to go grind up our skills in Boyadha tree or some other location, competing with other parties for the same handful of feasible mobs. -
10-11-2011, 10:00 PMMushy
Sync? I am not hip to the MMO terminology, although i have learned a new one PLing it sounds similar to sync as it gets you where ya want to go?