Allag and Norse Mythology

I have noticed that The Allagins, directly or not seem connected with beings named after Norse figures

• World of Darkness: As some of you are aware, Xande made a pact with the Cloud of Darkness and as a result you go into the World of darkness, the first set of trash mobs are named Thor and Jourmungand, archenemies and notable for killing each other (course Thor is more notable for other things). On the topic of Thor, a notable NPC in the CT subplot is Nero tol Schvela who wields a gun-hammer named Mjornir
• The Coils, The part of Dalamud that consists the first Coil is an airship dubbed "Ragnarok" Thor and Jormungand's deaths, part of the events there
• The Laevaetainn, probably the most tenuous, but you do get the items needed to upgrade it form both the Coils and the Tower, both related to one another and both of Allagin origin
• Odin...Admit it, this dude was the first thing that came to mind when you read the title. Explicitly an Allagin knight, The Dark Divinity, wields various attacks named Einherjar, and Gungnir. And the armor from the mantle are also named in Norse, he rises a Horse named Slepnir.
• Niddhogg, Ratatoskr, Hraesvelgr and Midgarsomnir. The of the First Brood and their father. Not so related to Allag at first glance but their connection lied in their sibling (or in Middy's case, son) Bahamut. Evidently the names sakes of the first three are all connected back to Ragnarok

Now it's all likely coincidence but it is interesting to see that the Norse Myhes are incoperated as somehow related to Allag. What do you think?

Much of what you listed is pulled from general Final Fantasy elements, which in turn are pulled from various mythologies.

THough to be honest, the Allag give me a "modern day" feel. their museum showcases how automation was invented to make life easier, which is what we strive to do in the tech industry. They built laboratories to experiment on living subjects; something we do too. The speech (in English) is modern compared to the Shakespearean like speech used by most npcs in Eorzea.

[QUOTE=Dalvy;3353663]Much of what you listed is pulled from general Final Fantasy elements, which in turn are pulled from various mythologies. [QUOTE]

I know that, I just noticed that the Allag seemed to have most of the references to Norse Mythology

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THough to be honest, the Allag give me a "modern day" feel. their museum showcases how automation was invented to make life easier, which is what we strive to do in the tech industry. They built laboratories to experiment on living subjects; something we do too. The speech (in English) is modern compared to the Shakespearean like speech used by most npcs in Eorzea.

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It is rather evedent that they are more futuristic compared to Eorzea, but well Crystal Spires (literally in Allag's case) and Togas seems to be the standard depiction of utopia nowadays

I personally don't think there's a strong connection, it's mostly just a big coincidence or a shout-out to previous titles.

-The entire Crystal Tower raid, enemies and all, are a big shout-out to Final Fantasy III. Everything in there except Atomos was from III. Everything. Even Jormungand, who was (you guessed it) a random encounter in the World of Darkness. Same for Thor.
-Nero's weapon is a shout-out to Norse mythology, but aside from that and the fact that Garlean magitek is reverse-engineered from Allagan tech there's no connection between the two.
-Ragnarok is a common late-game sword in the franchise. However, this game's Ragnarok is more likely than not referencing the Ragnarok spaceship from VIII, that game's stand-in for an airship.
-Laevaetainn is, like the Ragnarok, a previously-appearing weapon from the franchise. I wouldn't really say that has anything to do with Norse mythology, as the Laevaetainn is a Gerolt Masterwork weapon; those weapons have varied mythical inspirations, from Arondight's Arthurian origin to the Laevatainn's Norse origin to most of them being original creations.
-Odin is, yes, a very Norse myth-heavy character, especially in XIV where he has attacks past Gungir based on Norse myth. However it should be remembered that XIV Odin opposed the Allagans, so there's no connection between the name themes of the two.
-While Midgardsormr and the First Brood do seem to have a connection to Norse myth, Bahamut and Tiamat are outliers, being based on Mesopotamian / Arabian myth. However, their Final Fantasy incarnations are more based on their appearance in Dungeons and Dragons; XIV's versions are unique in that they're not, but they're still different from the rest of the major dragon characters we've seen, who do have Norse myth-inspired names. Given the other dragons don't have a strong connection to Allag (that we know of)...

... I personally don't think Allag has a heavy Norse myth inspiration. They seem to be more based on standard futuristic sci-fi stuff, but meaner than usual.

Is not allag inspired more on a mixt of ancient Rome/Egypt ?

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Is not allag inspired more on a mixt of ancient Rome/Egypt ?

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Not really, but mix Persia in and you get Garlemauld.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I know that, I just noticed that the Allag seemed to have most of the references to Norse Mythology

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It's not surprising when EVERYHTING is explained by using the wild card; Allagans.

Crystal Tower... Allagan.
Eikon killing weapon aka Ultima... Allagan.
Hidden sky islands... Allagan.
Bismarck backstory (if you think about it)... Allagan.
Dalamud/Bahamaut... Allagan.
Tomestones... Allagan.

Not enough housing plots... Server Limitation because of Allagan Empire.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

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Not exacly Kaise. Garlemand is more inspired on the Nazi Germany. All the thing about the perfect race, etc

I dont know why I have not added this before, I thought it was not necesary. The allagan empire is more inspised in Rome and Egypt beacuse:

1. The allagans have a liitle tips of both mix, romans and egypts.
2 . Both are nations that lasted more long than anyone orther ( im saing nation and not empire beacuse Rome, was a monarchy, republic and empire )
3. It was said that this nations were really advanced in technologie, culture and knowledge. ( When the roman empire fall, the progress of civilisation had a stop, it didnt recover until the times of the Renaissance. On between it was the middle ages ). On case of the allagans, it was worse. Their fall send us back to stone age LOL.
4. The roman empire was the largest empire that ever existed. Well allags have the hole world.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

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Good points, There are also some hints of Mayan/Aztec Architecture in The Sycrus Tower as well. Seems to be lots of references to Super Advanced Civilizations in Allage.

And Like Garlemald, Nazi Germany also tried to emulate the "Super Ancients" as a way to make them selves more powerful and respected. (How ravaging no less than 30 countries and stealing thousands of art pieces and artifacts was suppose to "Make them perfect" I'll never know.)

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

Much of what you listed is pulled from general Final Fantasy elements, which in turn are pulled from various mythologies.

THough to be honest, the Allag give me a "modern day" feel. their museum showcases how automation was invented to make life easier, which is what we strive to do in the tech industry. They built laboratories to experiment on living subjects; something we do too. The speech (in English) is modern compared to the Shakespearean like speech used by most npcs in Eorzea.

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They weren't always a modern society, however, and there are some remnants of their primitive past scattered about Eorzea.

Hey just because it's a common FF theme doesn't mean it's not inspired by Norse mythology.

Even (referencing another thread in this forum right now) the idea of Zodiark which was in past FFS a serpent and Hydaelyn being a mother world goddess is similar to Jormungandr the serpent surrounding the Earth in Norse mythology.

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1. The allagans have a liitle tips of both mix, romans and egypts.

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Yeah, agreed. The Allagans remind me of a sort of advanced Roman/Hellenic culture. The warring triad loosely reminds me of Hecate the Greek god, and there's even the rubble of a cathedral in Azys Lla. We have to fight a minotaur, and a shapeshifting robot (common theme in the Latin world, Ovid etc.). Throw in that fight with the sphinx faced curator before unlocking Alexander and you've got some very strong Roman/Hellenic references.

It's all just references to previous canon lore.

As for the Greek reference with Allag, there's a lot of parallels but I'm inclined to believe it's more like SE is drawing from the histories and myths of fallen civilizations in general. True, the Greek and Roman civilization fell particularly hard, going from mechanized wonders (bronze and porcelain automatons like those in Rhodes) and analogue computers (antikythera device used to calculate sea navigation) to villages and individual kingdoms in two centuries. So it's easy to make that comparison. But Allag also draws heavily Mesopotamia and Babylon with the Tower of Babel/Crystal Spire, and Gilgamesh for King Xande.

Generally, most of the references are too shallow or too diluted with other civilization's lore to really feel like a single civilization was intended to stand out in particular.

This doesn't particularly relate to Allagan, but I thought it was interesting the dragoon ability Geirskogul was also Norse in origin. Even more surprised that our relic weapon, Longinus, is named after the spear (or the guy that used the spear) that pierced Jesus on the cross.

So, I'm more inclined to believe the lore in general draws from all kinds historical references, and that coincidences are intentional.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

This doesn't particularly relate to Allagan, but I thought it was interesting the dragoon ability Geirskogul was also Norse in origin. Even more surprised that our relic weapon, Longinus, is named after the spear (or the guy that used the spear) that pierced Jesus on the cross.

So, I'm more inclined to believe the lore in general draws from all kinds historical references, and that coincidences are intentional.

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Gae Bolg is also German (I think?) for Dragon's Bone.

Nope, Gae Bolg was Cu Cuchlainn's weapon in Irish mythology.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Nope, Gae Bolg was Cu Cuchlainn's weapon in Irish mythology.

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I know what the Gae Bolg is but I'm thinking the word it's self is Anglo-Saxon in origin.

I'm not sure though, hang on. <Conults Mythology Encyclopedia>

Edit: <Returns 5 Minutes later>

OK, Gae Bulg is a Celtic word meaning "Spear of Mortal Pain", " Spear of Death", or when literally translated "Belly Spear" and was Schathach's gift to Cu Cuchaliann before his battle with her sister Aofie of The Shadows.

Don't know where I got Dragon Bone form then.