New Job, For like way way later..

hello final fantasy 14 development team. let me first start by congratulating you on your success with final fantasy 14 the game is by far my favorite mmorpg for PVE game play.

now on to my purpose. I am writing to give a suggestion for a new job (class). I feel you've done an excellent job of creating unique playstyles thus far, my hope is that I might help contribute to this legacy.

the job

without further ado. might I suggest?

a voodoo class.

there is a plethora of untapped possible game mechanics for a class based around voodoo rituals. and luckily for you, a voodoo doll using black mage by the name of lulu in ffx has proven that the idea is one that the final fantasy community will accept. further proof of concept exiting in the series is the puppetmaster type class *(cait sith is a popular example) though this is not a direct copy of either of these characters they do serve as stepping stones to what i propose! it could be implemented as a puppet master class with a voodoo job tied in, as that would be an easier sell to hardcover fans (puppetmaster + black mage = voodoo). it's also important to note that this style of play is non existent in current mmorpgs.

I will offer a few ideas of my own on basic mechanics I think would be cool but will leave creative development up to the professionals, should they choose to use the idea.

ideas

- Most offensive skills will be based around using a voodoo doll to maim/burn/slash/poke/prod/incapacitate. to create a voodoo doll of a target you need to get into melee range and use a create doll skill. this gives a unique flavor to a range class, it makes positioning more prevalent then it is for most ranged classes I'd also consider having damage buffed the further you are from the target (oposite of how bard works in pvp). this would force movement for optimization of dps. much like melee have to.

- another idea that would be neat. if the doll deteriated as you used skills that involved abusing the doll. durability could start at 100% and deteriated 10% at a time until the doll was destroyed which would cause massive damage, used to set up burst in burn phases etc. and it would cause the player to have to create a new one forcing him out of his comfy back row ranged spot. perhaps an ability to postpone the hurt and repair the dolls durability could be implemented giving you further control of burst and when you have to migrate to your enemy.

- it's safe to say that instacasts or movement speed buffs would be nessesary to be able to keep dps up while positioning yourself. or unique skills could make up the difference.

example,
using the "create doll" skill causes a debuff for 5 secounds causing damage to the enemy for every 5 yalms of distance you can put between the enemy and yourself. like a dot that ticks based on distance.

inversely
when you plan to come in to make a doll have an ability, let's call it "Demi" or "gravity" 2.5 sec cast, players can move while casting. damage scales with the distance the player moves during the cast time. (I know you guys are itching to implement Demi. this is a non traditional way to do it)

- unique limit break idea. as a dps it would be dmg related, with a twist. I'll just get right to it as its difficult to articulate.
name: myriad (I think it's fitting) creates 4 large dolls around the target for 30 sec. these dolls are targetable by all party members and any damage to them will be applied to the initial target. basically would make all aoe dmg hit your main target (example 100 potency AOE to 4 dolls and 1 target would = 500 potency hitting the target).as for balance with other limit breaks, it should be scaled to do more dmg then melee LB only if you have strong AOE dps classes in your group. if your AOE is weak or you have a DPS down then melee LB would out damage it. higher rank LB = more dolls. this would make it useful in certain situations but not have it replace current LBS.

I'm sure I could come up with a lot more interesting ideas but I'd rather not overstep for now

in closing

it excites me to think of the possibilities for a class such as this, in the hands of the team responsible for one of the biggest comebacks in video game history. and it might be the 4 AM or the 5 cups of coffee talking but I think this would be a fun, unique class to play.

cheers

ps spelling and grammar mistakes are present, I don't plan on fixing them, so don't bother posting about them. do bother posting criticism or feedback or ideas pertaining to a voodoo class!


*credit to Akiza for comparison to puppet master class

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thanks!! this is part of the reason I love this game community. very helpful people!

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ditto for the above, thank you for your helpful comment!

It is an interesting idea but I don't think Lulu is the best example, that was just merely her item of choice as opposed to a traditional staff as a black mage, least as I recall it from 10.

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It is an interesting idea but I don't think Lulu is the best example, that was just merely her item of choice as opposed to a traditional staff as a black mage, least as I recall it from 10.

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absolutely right. there were no abilities involving the doll other then I think it would run up to enemys and melee. the idea of a traditional voodoo witch is a new concept to final fantasy. the reason I bring up lulu is that she's the closest example that exists and bridging the gap from her to this job idea is less of a jump then me just outright suggesting it.

I don't think (someone might correct me on this) there's ever been a Necromancer type playable class in the FF series. As this game is all about the fan service I wouldn't expect to see one coming in this game. Expect RDM, BLU, SAM, DNC etc, jobs with a fairly significant pedigree within the series.

Edit: I have corrected myself. Necromancer was apparently playable in FFV.

At a glance this idea seems really cool. I like it.

Also: voodoo doll minion!

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Also the source of my fastest party wipe ever. Casting Curaja on a party that is now technically undead... BAD IDEA.

I may need to try out FFV then, sounds interesting. Though the more I think about it, the idea of a more mobile mage does interest me. Kinda why I dislike Blackmage, it revolves primarily around sitting still and casting. Maybe Redmage will remedy that to a point but I don't wanna shift topic.

This is a cool idea. I think the create doll and deterioration/burst damage mechanics would be a good way to set the job apart from the others and stay true to the idea of voodoo magic. It kind of reminds me of Relm's Paint ability from FF6 (In terms of creating copies of the enemy). I do agree though that SE will likely stick to the established pedigree of jobs for the foreseeable future.

Actually, that sounds kinda cool. I can see it maybe being a class where the doll you create becomes a pet slot like ACN or MCH; the pet bar would have either the moves the doll could inflict on itself, or the dots and debuffs you can place on it. The doll's health could go down as you deal the damage, and maybe you could do a final burst attack once it dies. Then you'd move in to resummon/reattune the new doll, and start over.

Nice idea, and a great change from the recycled ideas of red mage this, blue mage that XD

Original ideas are better.

As we all know if they do implement red mage and/or blue mage the first posts we will see is complaining that they didn't implement themas they were in FFXI and/or how they personally envisioned they should be implemented ^_^

Sounds like how they would implement the Puppetmaster

There's absolutely no way this job could get super racist.

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There's absolutely no way this job could get super racist.

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Please do share cus I have zero idea how.

I also think that the Voodoo based job would be a good addition to the game. Sounds like a lot of fun!

Google "racism and voodoo." Try not to get too defensive. Be enlightened.

Necromancer should resurrect people as skeletons until the end of the trial/dungeon.

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This is a cool idea. I think the create doll and deterioration/burst damage mechanics would be a good way to set the job apart from the others and stay true to the idea of voodoo magic. It kind of reminds me of Relm's Paint ability from FF6 (In terms of creating copies of the enemy). I do agree though that SE will likely stick to the established pedigree of jobs for the foreseeable future.

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thanks! I agree it is much more likely they will stick to the tried and true. like I mentioned in the post I think to my recollection lulu from ff10 is the closest thing existing in the ff universe. I've been sitting on this voodoo class idea for some time now while playing different mmorpg games. I've only just decided to preach it.

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I may need to try out FFV then, sounds interesting. Though the more I think about it, the idea of a more mobile mage does interest me. Kinda why I dislike Blackmage, it revolves primarily around sitting still and casting. Maybe Redmage will remedy that to a point but I don't wanna shift topic.

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thanks! I agree the black mage class is a very turret style of play, which is a common playstyle for casters in mmos. I really think that an exact opposite playstyle would be interesting, sure bards are mobile but I like the idea of mobility being nessesary not just available.

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Actually, that sounds kinda cool. I can see it maybe being a class where the doll you create becomes a pet slot like ACN or MCH; the pet bar would have either the moves the doll could inflict on itself, or the dots and debuffs you can place on it. The doll's health could go down as you deal the damage, and maybe you could do a final burst attack once it dies. Then you'd move in to resummon/reattune the new doll, and start over.

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the idea of having it become a pet is one I'm not opposed to as long as it doesn't step on summoner toes. perhaps a less control able pet (since he's temperary), he can melee, you direct attacks at him his health moves but you don't control him and he doesn't have any real abilities of his own, he's more a tool. also don't like the idea of him being targetable by enemy's unless there is a fun mechanic that would transfer the dmg to the target the doll was made from.

I appreciate the input!

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Sounds like how they would implement the Puppetmaster

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great information thank you! I will add this comparison to the main post. puppet master helps me draw a more stable line to this class then my lulu point alone

appreciated!

uhm... why not just have it be a puppetmaster? Just saying, cause voodoo doesn't really seem to work out in any way and since heavensward a puppetmaster would really be viable, since you know... Alexander.

edited initial post to include a limit break idea I've been mulling over. also added the puppet master idea Akizas enlightened me with

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uhm... why not just have it be a puppetmaster? Just saying, cause voodoo doesn't really seem to work out in any way and since heavensward a puppetmaster would really be viable, since you know... Alexander.

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well we saw the debut of AST in ffxiv. I feel this is proof of the devolpment teams willingness to try something new.

I understand the idea of puppet master fits much more easily with the final fantasy series, my reservation is that a puppet master class would fall pretty close to the pet classes we currently have. I'm sure SE would find ways to make it unique in playstyle, I just feel that there are a lot of cool mechanics that could be done with a voodoo class that just don't fit puppet master. but hell that being said, I wouldn't be opposed to a puppet master class that simply has a voodoo job tied in with it. have it pair with black mage :)

o I like that, thanks for your comment!

what about aoe capabilities? unless say the pack pulled is 2 X, 1 Y an X doll could effect both but then there needs to be a higher cost to the skills. need more infos

Wait...this game has pve? >.>

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what about aoe capabilities? unless say the pack pulled is 2 X, 1 Y an X doll could effect both but then there needs to be a higher cost to the skills. need more infos

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excellent question. I feel the doll is a one target deal though an ability that causes your "dolled" target to hit everyone around him in an involinatry flail type thing is a good start. could scale with enemy's attributes making melee enemy's your primary target. also the gravity type attack I mentioned stacking with distance moved could be AOE. it'd be like Diablo gravity in ff8 with a running twist. oviously that falls short for AOE compared with other classes but I'll hit the drawing bored for AOE and post more ideas soon