its called roulette

you have 50% chance of getting neverreap when you queue that. if you plan on leaving every time its neverreap DONT QUEUE ROULETTE!

thank you.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

you have 50% chance of getting neverreap when you queue that. if you plan on leaving every time its neverreap DONT QUEUE ROULETTE!

thank you.

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With 3.1 it get reduced to 25% (if the devs keep them in the expert roulette)

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Originally Posted by Felis

With 3.1 it get reduced to 25%

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Unless they follow the ARR formula and shunt Fractal and Neverreap into high-level roulette and add their two new dungeons to expert.

I hope they don't do that, but they spent an entire game phase doing exactly that.

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Originally Posted by Felis

With 3.1 it get reduced to 25%

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If they keep Neverreap and Fractal in DREX.

I've never had anyone leave Neverreap before though, or Fractal really.

We hope it'll get reduced, but what if the two new dungeons are going to be the only two options in DR Expert?

No clue why people would leave, its so stupid easy. Never once seen someone leave it either.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

If they keep Neverreap and Fractal in DREX.

I've never had anyone leave Neverreap before though, or Fractal really.

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People often leaves at the beggining of neverreap, its like they only done it once when they had i160 gears, all they remember is the long fights and the tornadoes and they never realized it's now as easy as fractum, unless you're a noob and keep falling down at final boss.

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Originally Posted by RosaBlanche

People often leaves at the beggining of neverreap, its ike they only done it once when they had i160 gears, all they remember is the long fights and the tornadoes and they never realized it's now as easy as fractum, unless you're a noob and keep falling down at final boss.

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Either it's an EU/NA thing, or you're just unlucky. As I said, I've never seen anyone leave Neverreap before.

Granted I admit, not much of a roulette with 2 options. I know I am sick of em both now.

I've always seen Neverreap as easy as Fractal. For the enjoyment value, however, that's a whole other story. Neverreap wins because of the totem boss. All hail Canu Vanu. Even though I haven't ran it in days and I don't feel any worse for it.

The chance for Alwaysreap really doesn't feel like 50%... I'm fairly certain that I have got it more than 60% of the times I ran DREX.
But still, there is no reason to leave it, it can easily be done in less than 20 minutes, same as Fractal. Sure it's more annoying, but totally not worth a 30 min lockout.

It is pointless leaving, taking the penalty and the doing it again with a good chance you'll get it again. I have never seen anyone leave it either. Though I always seem to get Fractual, hardly get Neverreap. I think most people have done both so many times, could be done blindfolded by now.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

The chance for Alwaysreap really doesn't feel like 50%... I'm fairly certain that I have got it more than 60% of the times

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Well we are also dealing with the same game that lets a 90% miss 4 times in a row when mining.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Well we are also dealing with the same game that lets a 90% miss 4 times in a row when mining.

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And a 98% HQ craft become NQ in the most dire of situations.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Well we are also dealing with the same game that lets a 90% miss 4 times in a row when mining.

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I flipped a quarter four times in a row and it was tails every time. The fabric of the universe is unraveling.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Either it's an EU/NA thing, or you're just unlucky. As I said, I've never seen anyone leave Neverreap before.

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well, by "often" i mean like once a month but everytime it happens is one too many time, most of the queuers are cool but it happened to me this morning, tank left as soon as nevereap poped, healer left one second later and i made this rant. it's the third time i see that :(

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Originally Posted by Acyd

No clue why people would leave

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Really? people leaving when doing roulette? Ew...

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Originally Posted by _Kakera_

And a 98% HQ craft become NQ in the most dire of situations.

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And 1% become HQ...

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Originally Posted by Felis

With 3.1 it get reduced to 25% (if the devs keep them in the expert roulette)

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That's a pretty BIG "if", given how ARR handled Expert Roulettes before.
I mean it is possible (given we'll get 2 new dungeons per patch instead of 3), but still...

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Unless they follow the ARR formula and shunt Fractal and Neverreap into high-level roulette and add their two new dungeons to expert.

I hope they don't do that, but they spent an entire game phase doing exactly that.

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If they don't people will only want to do the faster dungeons, so they are going to do that.

its 50% if all 4 people are rouletting but it also searches for people queued up and most just queue for neverreep influencing the roulette system, not only this but i think in 3.1 they will keep it in the expert unless there is a new tome stone added in then it will probably be daily roulette heavenward

See now there's a problem with both options.

1. Put the current 2 DR:EX dungeons into DR:High

This would cause the new DR:EX to be a coinflip again if we are to trust the info that they will be releasing 2 dungeons per patch. Inevitably will end up the same as the current situation with Neverreap and Fractal.

2. Add the 2 new dungeons to the current 2 in DR:EX

This is somewhat a bad thing because the people who are sick of Neverreap and Fractal will be even sicker of them come 3.1 especially when RNG dumps you in either of the 2 multiple times throughout a span of days.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

its 50% if all 4 people are rouletting but it also searches for people queued up and most just queue for neverreep influencing the roulette system, not only this but i think in 3.1 they will keep it in the expert unless there is a new tome stone added in then it will probably be daily roulette heavenward

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Its 50% all the time, either you get it or you don't.

Here's the better question. Why bother queuing for Roulette EX if you just want to do Fractual or Neverreap? Just queue for the Dungeon you want. That 35 Esoterics can easily be replaced by another run of the dungeon you love to play.

I've never heard of people dropping out of these dungeons at start tho. Maybe a Datacenter thing or something cuz I never had anyone drop from either dungeon.

Unless my wife needs me, then I would leave whatever I'm in. Usually with a party text prior to it.

oh! She's playing with me, silly am I.. so the chances would be very slim, as I don't have that tendency to quit.

Yesterday, we did Sastacha (she began to Tank lol) there was this dragoon.. and a newcomer in the game, Zeel Something (Welcome aboard! ^^)

I said for him that we would make sure to do a complete run, looking into every chambers so he'll see and get his map done, see how it is a dungeon (he thought it was a raid ^^)

The dragoon, after the Coeurl, just.. stopped doing anything, no replies when I ask him if it's ok to kick him since he's not cooperating with us.. no replies..

got a Ninja after, things went smooth, and Zeel was happy.

*If you click on a low-level roulette.. why do you bother going in if you don't intend to play it all the way.. I mean, it's the first Dungeon!! Can't get easier than that??

Sooo stupid..

Wish he got Tam-Tara next lol

Lol @ people eating a 30 minute penalty for a dungeon that takes less than 30 minutes

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

Here's the better question. Why bother queuing for Roulette EX if you just want to do Fractual or Neverreap? Just queue for the Dungeon you want. That 35 Esoterics can easily be replaced by another run of the dungeon you love to play.

I've never heard of people dropping out of these dungeons at start tho. Maybe a Datacenter thing or something cuz I never had anyone drop from either dungeon.

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If I was running Fractal twice a day I'd hate it more than Neverreap.

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Originally Posted by Rin_Kuroi

I flipped a quarter four times in a row and it was tails every time. The fabric of the universe is unraveling.

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A quarter, last I checked, was a 50% chance of either side, not 90%

Neverreap is easy as hell, the only time I leave though is if I see there are first timers there or people with crappy gear. I am not into slow runs.

Well, back in the 2.0 we didn't have roulettes, so it was either manually queue for WP or AK. Since there's no gear progression, but they'll add more alternative for it (Ark thingy and 2 more dungeons) I see no reason to move them as a high level roulette. Also, if you think about it... STILL wouldn't make sense. All the dungeons in high level roulette are level 50 dungeons. You'll basically remove 1 roulette for people below level 60. So I'd say they'll be added, they will not replace the current ones.

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Originally Posted by _Kakera_

I've always seen Neverreap as easy as Fractal. For the enjoyment value, however, that's a whole other story. Neverreap wins because of the totem boss. All hail Canu Vanu. Even though I haven't ran it in days and I don't feel any worse for it.

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All hail 2nd boss in Fractal :P. One trick I don't see used nearly as much as it should be is interrupting his charge move (grunt something) by activating the add tank. It'll reset his rotation, making the entire fight simple and fast.:D

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

All hail 2nd boss in Fractal :P. One trick I don't see used nearly as much as it should be is interrupting his charge move (grunt something). You can activate the add tank and he'll reset his rotation, making the entire fight simple and fast :D.

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You can't do it if the party is terribly low DPS, or you risk not being able to interrupt his room-wide AoE. :/

Any one else wish for expert roulette they would scale all the 3.0 dungeons to expert difficulty? There are 3 level 60 dungeons but only two are expert, why would any one run the other outside of the msq to go there.

Also worth noting, there's reasons to leave at the start besides the dungeon itself. Funnily enough just last night I ditched a neverreap at the start... don't mind the dungeon but the tank had some i145 & i160 pieces, then ran off without waiting for buffs... I just went "meh" and decided to go pvp (not affected by the pve lockout) instead of dealing with that for 40+ minutes.

Who leaves Neverreap and want Fractual instead? the latter is a longer dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Who leaves Neverreap and want Fractual instead? the latter is a longer dungeon.

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Well, it's got pretty cool music.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Who leaves Neverreap and want Fractual instead? the latter is a longer dungeon.

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I don't leave either but Fractal bosses are more tolerable to me...more uptime.

well you can just level up SMN for the daily roulette. It doesn't matter which dungeon you'll get or if a MCH or a MNK will show up to slow you down. SMN can always make it end faster.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

If I was running Fractal twice a day I'd hate it more than Neverreap.

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Fractal's Theme alone gets me pumped whenever I do that dungeons. I can run it 4 times in a day and it never gets old.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

well you can just level up SMN for the daily roulette. It doesn't matter which dungeon you'll get or if a MCH or a MNK will show up to slow you down. SMN can always make it end faster.

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That Akh Morn... Sooo good and soo satisfying to hear and see it go off.

why people leave anyway? o_o

Some brave warrior of lights are fear of heights or what? xD

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

You can't do it if the party is terribly low DPS, or you risk not being able to interrupt his room-wide AoE. :/

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Same goes for the 2nd boss in Neverreap when pushing his final totem phase. If you have the dps, most fights in expert are stupidly easy, this one more so because you can skip a prolonging mechanic.