Hard Slash's animation is absolutely terrible for the most often used skill. It looks like my character was trying to stab the opponent but for some reason his muscles gave up and the sword nearly falls to the ground. Seriously I cant watch this thing anymore, it has to be the most ridiculous looking thing in the game. Its no fun seeing your character try to wield a sword like he has never had one in his hands before.
Just swap Hard Slash and Scourge animations, this one actually looks good. There is no way I'm the only one from whom this issue is nearly class-breaking.
DRK Hard Slash animation
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09-20-2015, 06:19 AMJayrixDRK Hard Slash animation
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09-20-2015, 06:24 AMRalvenom
Boohoo! The Heavy Swing animation is boring too. So is Fast Blade. They're abilities that begin combos; why should they be exciting?...
If you think basic abilities being boring constitutes "class-breaking", you're just not smart and need find the proper definition of class-breaking. -
09-20-2015, 06:29 AMFreyyyThe OP's point wasn't about looking "boring" it's about looking ugly and giving the impression that your character doesn't know how to use a sword. It's a whole other level and I agree that it's bothering me too. The first stab movement should go straight into the opponent and stay as it is before the upward slash instead of doing that shitty animation that we have. Would be very similar but it wouldn't look like a failed move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralvenom
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09-20-2015, 06:49 AMJayrixMy character looking like he doesnt know how to use or even hold a sword during the most used ability is just as debilitating for me as if he was unplayable because of broken mechanics. If that makes me an idiot then so be it. And while Heavy Swing and Fast Blade are simple they dont make your char look like a junkie on high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralvenom
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09-20-2015, 07:07 AMSyzygian
Eh. I don't have a problem with it. Its a diagonal slash followed by an upward one. It looks like it would hurt.
If you actually watch the animation, your character slashes from side to side and then does an upwards, backwards slash, which if we're talking realism here and your character's ability to actually wield a sword, the actual motion is pretty fast, its the recovery that is kinda slow, but honestly, the job meant to feel like the sword is big and heavy and has power behind it, not to mention such a motion would probably slit someone from groin to brow. Personally I think animations like Delirium and Souleater feel like your character is pretty superhuman being able to move like that (to say nothing of Carve... =E ...), whereas Hard Slash is, appropriately, a ramp-up. Also, there's no stabbing involved. The only attacks that have stabbing animations are Reprisal and Souleater.
Anyway, DRK has such an abundance of off-GCD weaving that I very rarely get to see the full animation of any of the GCDs. Neither should anyone else that's playing the job right. ;)
And yeah, have you SEEN the animation for Fast Blade and Heavy Swing? It looks like your character just picked up the weapon at the local blacksmith and is playing with it. -
09-20-2015, 07:16 AMBrannigan
Fast Blade animation owns. Look at the footwork.
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09-20-2015, 09:16 AMGooner_iBluAirJGRHonestly. . . that is exactly how I started playing Marauder at launch. I bought an axe, took it to a level one zone and said "IMA SWING IT!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Syzygian
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09-20-2015, 01:11 PMTheLastRaven
Hard slash looks like you are more of throwing yourself into the initial attack to hit harder and then doing a heavy upwards swing from hmm... maybe thats why its called hard slash?
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09-20-2015, 04:24 PMVivizaWow, how dramatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrix
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09-20-2015, 04:50 PMKaliAurion
Let me get this straight.
A horizontal slash followed by an upward vertical slash, using momentum and the weight of the sword looks like you just picked up a sword and have no idea how to use it?
http://i.imgur.com/2tnsm9B.gif
Look at the way most of the greatswords are shaped, it's not a failed stab, it's a slash. Given DRKs initial stance, it's a sensible first move for a quick hit, followed by a heavier one.
Using the tip end of a blade to slash with a heavy sword, though not practical, is possible and works. The only reason I don't care about it not being practical is because this is a video game, where half if not more of the animations don't make any logical sense. (Looking at you, Wide Volley)
The animation is fine. Wanna complain about something? Go complain about how heavy swing looks like a kid swinging a toy around when you're actually swinging a heavy axe.
Also I understand this is your opininon and that's fine. But the claim of not knowing how to use the sword seems to be coming from someone who doesn't know how to use one themself.
Edit: Also...Yeah. You're dropping the sword at the end there. Why? Greatswords are uh...they're pretty heavy. Especially after a swing like that. You see it in the recovery time.
Edit 2: Now that I've actually taken the time to look at it, it could also look like you're attempting to pierce the opponent while using the full leverage of the long blade to knock their guard to the side, then follow up with the upward slash. Again, risky move given the weight of the weapon because at the end there, you can see that it has weight to it after the slash, before he returns to his original stance. -
09-20-2015, 08:39 PMpandabearcat
TBH dark knights don't know how to use their swords, they're more of a channel dark magics kind of deal. At least I laugh whenever my lalafel swings the sword.
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09-20-2015, 11:28 PMMiniPrinnyTo be honest... we kind of teach ourselves lore-wise. I mean, we get the Soul Crystal and then [spoilers] happens and Sidurgu is like "what the kitten?!"Quote:
Originally Posted by pandabearcat
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09-21-2015, 04:27 AMThunda_Cat_SMASH
You think hard slash is bad? Well, I mean, that's your opinion and I respect that, but personally the ugliest dark knight move that I've seen so far is Soul Eater. I mean, seriously? Swords don't work like that! And what's with the mid air 360 spin! Though really, it's the initial soul eater stab that bugs me to no end.
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09-21-2015, 05:04 AMArdorGrey
Am I the only one bothered more by the op saying it would be fine if they swapped it with scourge? The implication is that op doesn't use scourge.....
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09-21-2015, 08:20 AM_Pigzig
man who cares
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09-21-2015, 06:25 PMRapBreonIMO, Heavy Swing and Fast Blade look sick. Animations in this game are top-notch though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brannigan
Maim (axe-double-pimp-slap) and Vorpal Thrust (talk about footwork) are the best looking attacks in the game IMO.
Power slash is sick too. Imma slash you....too much effort, fire laser instead.
Edgelords are high on emotions dude. Totally fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrix
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09-22-2015, 01:05 AMXenosanI think where people are finding the 'meh-ness' of the body motion and animation of the swings comes from a combination of 2 things - one of which the gif shows (thanks for share).Quote:
Originally Posted by KaliAurion
1. As seen in video: Pretty much every DRK Weapon Skill is a two-fold attack (Or three!). The exceptions I think are only Spinning Slash and Reprisal. That's it, just those 2. Every other physical Weaponskill the Dark Knight uses is a two-(or more)-fold attack of some form iirc.
2. The other thing is all the DRK oGCDs.. They clip GCD Animations - so when weaving abilities, you'll rarely ever see the full animation of those GCD WSs. DRK has like 3x the amount of oGCDs as PLD. WAR only has Brutal Swing. So there's a lot less clipping on the other 2 tanks.
It's unfortunate because for some DRK WeaponSkills, the 2nd attack (or 2nd half of the animation - the part that gets clipped) is what looks good. Love watching Reprisal impale 'rip' out of the target, but rarely ever see it because it's clipped by the next GCD, which gets clipped by the next oGCD, which get's clipped by the next GCD; on and on
Tossing some bait now, sorry, but it's the stance that I'm not happy with. There were a variety of great Greatsword stances used in FFXI, and they opted for this new thing. If the swords are heavy, I'd think you'd wear your arms out just holding it like that. Shouldn't it be held upright or over the shoulder so the weight of the thing rests on the shoulders and your core, not just the arms. (Elvaan, Mithra, Hyur Greatsword stances from FFXI for example).
edit: I dunno if any of you have played Soul Caliber for Dreamcast (best of the series, the franchise peaked there), but Nightmare/Siegried's Greatsword playstyle was IMO the best visual large-sword animation of any game i've seen -
09-22-2015, 07:52 AMSynestraDont forget the sound effect of Reprisal! Sucks that it has CD on top of being proc based, i just want to use it more frequently :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenosan
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09-23-2015, 08:32 PMMartin_Arcainess
Well Hard Slash is your 1st skill so it kinda makes sense that you're just getting used to using a heavy 2 handed sword.
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09-24-2015, 10:13 AMNadirah
The animation to me kinda looks like they're using a reaper to cut grain stalks. o.O First part anyway.
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09-24-2015, 10:16 AMDrtoxicmedica
You mean the animation where I plop my sword on the ground with a dull thud and then lazily swing it vertically behind me? No man totally looks awesome and amazing and...and...who am I kinding.
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09-24-2015, 06:27 PMFreyyyDoes it still make sense when you're max level ? And don't forget that we start DRK at level 30 like we would have a natural base knowledge of it and we're not learning it from the beginning, and we're already able to shoot darkness out of our hands and create giant spikes on the floor. It doesn't make any sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess
Hard Slash looks awful, the first swing is super shitty, looks like a failed attempt to thrust the opponent, nothing more. -
09-25-2015, 02:29 AMMartin_Arcainesswell the thing is we are a starting anew on a new Job so initially it would need to be at 30 but you kinda have to break it in 2, lore wise and game mec wise, game mec wise needs to be at 30 since it's a Job and it would need skills from LV1-30 so when we go into lower level synced content we'll have skills there, lore wise it's our 1st 2 handed sword so for the LV1 skill it would need to look like your 1st newbie skill while laters skills should make you look like you're getting used to swinging a sword.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freyyy
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09-25-2015, 02:54 AMPraesul
I think hard slash is one of their BEST animations, and I'm glad I get to use it so often. It looks Savage. Hard slash, spinning slash, Power Slash, reprisal, scourge, syphon strike.... All look great.
I think delirium and souleater are the worst. They look so floaty, they don't feel impactful, but I understand they were going for a different feel than WAR. -
09-25-2015, 03:26 AMJamez82
I don't necessarily think any of the DRK animations are "bad". However, Just me on my own can think of much more awesome moves so I wonder why the development team couldn't.
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09-25-2015, 05:44 AMMartin_ArcainessBecause maybe they don't want to make your begining move too awesome?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamez82
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09-25-2015, 06:22 AMWalluh
Hard Slash is fine. It's Soulreaper that's absolutely terrible