Multi-Materia Melding Success?

A question came up in my LS as to whether or not anyone has seen a piece of gear with multiple materia melded to it. I sure haven't seen one yet. I'm curious, have you seen any such gear yet? Or better yet, have you made any? If so, how many attempts did it take?

I don't think anyone except maybe some JP's have access to forbidden materia yet!

I'll throw a guess though. 80>60>40>20% success rate for tiers 2-5 respectively.

Alternatively 50>30>10>5%.

The above guesses are completely wrong.

The first materia on any gear is 100%. Today I tried adding a second materia to several different pieces of gear and they all were between 25%-30%. Based on the screenshot in the patch notes, the third attachment is 15-20%. Anything more than that is going to be lower and extremely impossible.

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Originally Posted by Victor

The above guesses are completely wrong.

The first materia on any gear is 100%. Today I tried adding a second materia to several different pieces of gear and they all were between 25%-30%. Based on the screenshot in the patch notes, the third attachment is 15-20%. Anything more than that is going to be lower and extremely impossible.

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Soo, possibly 30>20>10>5, if true.

Do certain pieces only allow one attachment? I tried to attach a second piece to an ivory staff and after clicking meld it said "you have no chance of success" or something. Are there other prereqs to do this? I have the augmented melder and was on gsm 50.

Thanks for posting molly!

Seems so low...

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...3-40-16-94.jpg

Changing gear, repairing the armor to 100%, none of it made the % budge it seems its all materia related.

We have some members with multiple materia on gear. The success rate is terrible (~25% or less?) and depends on the tier of the materia you're using. For example: STR 17 materia has better success rate than STR 18 materia.

So basically if it's tier related, attaching 5 tier IV's is going to be nigh-impossible (we're talking about somewhere around 0,0003% success rates) but having five tier 1, 2 and 3 materias has a higher chance of success.

The demand for items is going to be huuuuge.

I'm not sure if the success rate diminishes with each new materia you add, but yea, overall you're looking at an extremely low success rate on M5 gear with all T4s on it.

Edited.. figured it out.. was just being an idiot not using the interface correctly

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Originally Posted by MeowyWowie

I'm not sure if the success rate diminishes with each new materia you add, but yea, overall you're looking at an extremely low success rate on M5 gear with all T4s on it.

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Which kind of makes sense given how powerful the Tier IV materia is...+90 Str gloves...+250 HP boots...etc.

I know the system is designed to appeal to the hardcore crafters...but would anyone actually be interested in the gil/time investment required for an entire set of M5?

My cuirass has Defense +12 (Bloodwall III) and Vitality +13 (Vitality III). The success rate was listed at 25.50%. I checked the success rate of adding a Vitality +17 (tier IV) and it came up 9.60%. Success rate depends on the rolls and tier of materia with lower success rate the better your materia is, so your chance of getting two max roll Tier IV on one piece is very poor (I think around 15% but haven't tested max rolls specifically).

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I know the system is designed to appeal to the hardcore crafters...but would anyone actually be interested in the gil/time investment required for an entire set of M5?

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Honestly M5 is out of the picture now. I think realistically we're looking at M3 for hardcore players. It's going to be an absolutely enormous investment getting M3 with Tier IVs on all slots and it's much more productive to work toward that than spend all your resources trying to get a fourth materia on one slot.

on the screenshot with the cobalt gauntlet+1 , we see the second attachment is 30%,maybe the hq item make it for better chance of melding

im looking forward to new hq system to look at the complete picture

but yeah actually, 5 materia is impossible

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Originally Posted by OptimalZedd

on the screenshot with the cobalt gauntlet+1 , we see the second attachment is 30%,maybe the hq item make it for better chance of melding

im looking forward to new hq system to look at the complete picture

but yeah actually, 5 materia is impossible

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I thought the same and I plan on testing this tonight and I'll post with the results.

Anyone can tell me add more than one materia at the same gear ?? I can not add the second materia... "It said you are no hope to affixing the materia "

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Originally Posted by saroro

Anyone can tell me add more than one materia at the same gear ?? I can not add the second materia... "It said you are no hope to affixing the materia "

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After you've melded a certain number of materia to pieces, go back to the place where you got the quest and talk to the boss and ask about forbidden materia to receive the ability to meld extra materia to the same piece of gear. For me, the option was there after I had done 8, but I did not check previous to that.

There's also a thread at Blue Gartr that talks about this.

Hey, sorry for the delay. I saw there have already been confirmations that HQ success rates are higher so I decided to test the impact of HQ2 vs. HQ1. Unfortunately I only had 2 identical materia and not 3 so I can't include an NQ in this comparison.

Screenshot: HQ1 vs HQ2

Defense +12 (already inserted) is the second worst Tier III roll. The HP +44 I was attempting to add is also a second worst Tier III roll. I also tested with an HP +40 (worst T3) and a Defense +13 (second best T3). Full results:

Vintage Haubergeon +1:
[T2-2/4] MP+23 -- 30.50%
[T2-4/4] MP+25 -- 29.50%
[T3-1/4] HP+40 -- 29.00%
[T3-2/4] HP+44 -- 28.00%
[T3-3/4] Def+13 -- 27.50%
[T4-1/4] Crit+42 -- 26.00%

Vintage Haubergeon +2:
[T2-2/4] MP+23 -- 31.50%
[T2-4/4] MP+25 -- 30.50%
[T3-1/4] HP+40 -- 30.00%
[T3-2/4] HP+44 -- 29.00%
[T3-3/4] Def+13 -- 28.50%
[T4-1/4] Crit+42 -- 27.00%

Hopefully we can start to combine enough of this info and deduce the formula for success rate. I'll keep these melded and when I get some more body-suited materia of different qualities I'll gather more data.

Edit: added savage might IV worst roll
Edit2: added two tier II's

good job Raikki :)

1% is lame lol

Nub materia question, figure I would drop it here. So, am I the only one that can attach materia to my gear? If so, I think the system is lame. I have no desire to hurry up and craft up to 50 so I can wear materia gear.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

Nub materia question, figure I would drop it here. So, am I the only one that can attach materia to my gear? If so, I think the system is lame. I have no desire to hurry up and craft up to 50 so I can wear materia gear.

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You can trade the equipment/materia/catalyst to a crafter and have them attach it for you.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

You can trade the equipment/materia/catalyst to a crafter and have them attach it for you.

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Oh ok. Great! I will spread the word bc I think there was a little confusion among my LS mates :)

This one isn't the most rigorous test but I realized I have two different high level weapons with +10 enmity on them (second worst T4) and one is an HQ so I checked the difference in success rate between and was getting a +2.00% increase on the HQ vs. the NQ. Trying to add a second best T4 materia (an Accuracy+18), I got 15.50% on an NQ Demilune Bhuj and 17.50% on a +1 Cobalt Winglet. More data soon.

I've been assembling a lot more stats and the preliminary finding is that you get higher success rates by using lower tier materia first. Example:

Existing materia T4-2/4, forbidden materia T3-3/4, success rate: 18.0%
Existing materia T3-4/4, forbidden materia T4-3/4, success rate: 20.0%

The second example is a more powerful combination of materia but has a higher success rate, hypothesis being that the strength of the existing materia has a bigger negative impact on success rate than the strength of the materia being added. I'll keep analyzing data and post again if anything new solidifies.

Very nice work so far.

Just put a Strength IV and Heaven's Fist III on my gauntlets (in that order).

19.5%

For a first try, I'd say I'm damn lucky.

Still can't beat Ifrit though. :(

I have a complete table of forbidden success rates for combining Tier III and Tier IV materia.

http://i.imgur.com/B4ajV.jpg
* bolded numbers have all been verified in-game; non-bold numbers are inferred but assumed correct

Select the column of the first materia inserted and the row of the materia to be added. For example, if you already have a 1/4 roll Tier IV, adding a 4/4 Tier IV will have a 16.00% chance. Add +2% for HQ1, and +3% for HQ2. I don't know about HQ3, since I don't have any +3 equipment that can be melded.

If you don't know which roll your materia is, check the materia list on ffxivpro. Each materia there will list 16 bonus numbers. There are 4 rolls per tier, so Tier IV materia will be the 13th-16th numbers. For example, Tier IV Bloodthirst can be 55, 60, 65, or 70, so I refer to a +55 HP Bloodthirst as a "Tier IV, 1/4" on the table.

Awesome stuff Raikki, any plans to extend that to include Tier I and II?