[SCH] Macro and Targeting Issues

So I have run into a bit of a problem with my healing macro's on my Scholar. I am playing on a PlayStation 4, and using the Controller. My Macro Syntax is set-up as follows:

/micon "Physick"
/ac "Physick" <t>
/ac "Physick" <tt>
/ac "Physick" <me>
/ac "Embrace" <t>
/ac "Embrace" <tt>
/ac "Embrace" <me>

Now the problem I am having is that when I have the Tank selected as my primary target and I temporarily hop over to a secondary target with my up or down button in order to heal them, the secondary target will receive the effect of Physick, but NOT the effect of Embrace as the targeting reticle will have already switched back to the Tank by the time that the Embrace command is being executed.

Is there a way to make it so that the Embrace will take effect on the last target to have been selected (sort of similar to Final Fantasy XI's <lastst> command?).

Because healing macro <t> will never work
Target a dummy and heal that, you'll understand

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Because healing macro <t> will never work
Target a dummy and heal that, you'll understand

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I don't think you understood the OP's question.

To which, AFAIK, is no, there's nothing like Last Target.

Isn't it supposed to be like:
/pac embrace eos <t>

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

I don't think you understood the OP's question.

To which, AFAIK, is no, there's nothing like Last Target.

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thank you, that basically answers my question and confirms my fears. I will have to resign myself to having to hard target anyone I need to cure with both myself and my pet... so bothersome.

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Originally Posted by Tharian

thank you, that basically answers my question and confirms my fears. I will have to resign myself to having to hard target anyone I need to cure with both myself and my pet... so bothersome.

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There is a "last target" command under the form of <lt> but it feels unwieldy to use compared to it's XI counterpart when I tried to make use of it. Maybe you can find better luck with it than I.

Can find a list of all "placeholder" style tags here. Just click on "placeholder" on the left toolbar.

Yeah, that doesn't really do what I intended. Though it is neat in its own way.

EDIT: so apparently the solution to my problem is to put the Embrace Macro Syntax BEFORE the actual Scholar Healing Spell. This way the Fairy starts casting before I actually execute my own spell, or something to that effect.

Unfortunately, you can't get very creative with healing macros because of the whole monster targeted = self-heal thing. The key is to keep your heals all targeted straight on the target and have your attacks use creative arrangements. There is a URL in my signature to a guide I wrote primarily on faeries, but there is some other stuff with macros in there too.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

I don't think you understood the OP's question.

To which, AFAIK, is no, there's nothing like Last Target.

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I just saw that macro and skipped the rest :P Regardless, my point still stands. There's also a command called /targetlasttarget and /previoustarget, which instantly switches your current target to target according to command. But this doesn't help the OP.

Because it takes 0.05-0.1 sec between Physick and Embrace in your macro (16.7-33.3 ms/line). I suppose the following is better.
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/ac "Physick" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <me>
/ac "Physick" <me>
/micon "Physick"

Basically <t> and <tt> can't be combined on the same macro.
Putting "/micon" on the first line is nothing but a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Mikoko_Miko

Putting "/micon" on the first line is nothing but a waste of time.

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Whoa. I had never thought of that. I'm gonna have to see if I can confirm the difference in execution speed. If that is correct, then I will be in your debt.

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Originally Posted by Mikoko_Miko

Because it takes 0.05-0.1 sec between Physick and Embrace in your macro (16.7-33.3 ms/line). I suppose the following is better.
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/ac "Physick" <t>
/pac "Embrace" <me>
/ac "Physick" <me>
/micon "Physick"

Basically <t> and <tt> can't be combined on the same macro.
Putting "/micon" on the first line is nothing but a waste of time.

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Combining <t> and <me> in one macro seems pointless for me.
To my understanding you usually macro <t> to stop the fallback on <me>, which happens automatically if you don't add any target variable.

/pac "Embrace"
/ac "Physick"

will do just the same thing in 2 lines, won't it?

<t> and <tt> can be combined on damage spells, E4E etc. just fine, where as <t> on a healing spell defaults to <me> if an enemy is targeted.

This is the first time I hear of /micon and other macro-lines adding macro time and I don't believe thats how it works at all.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Combining <t> and <me> in one macro seems pointless for me.

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They differ only when you target nothing. <t> & <me> heals <me> and <t> heals no one.

Sorry for my lack of explanation. My intention was <t> and <tt> can't be combined in healing spells. Once I tried to combine <t> and <tt> and got this ugly macro.

The difference in execution speed by "/micon" is very slight (about 16.7-33.3 milliseconds, depends on frame rate). It might be realized by comparing these macros.

/ac "Physick"
/micon "Physick"
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/micon "Physick"

and

/micon "Physick"
...
/micon "Physick"
/ac "Physick"

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

/pac "Embrace"
/ac "Physick"

will do just the same thing in 2 lines, won't it?

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Thank you for useful information. When I target nothing, yours did the same thing with Physick but did not with Embrace (it healed Fairy instead of me). So I update my macro.
/pac "Embrace" <t>
/ac "Physick"
/pac "Embrace" <me>
/micon "Physick"

As for macro execution speed, I could find information only in Japanese language and is not officially confirmed. According to it, macro executions are synchronized with frame rate. If you are in 30 fps it takes 33.3 ms per line and in 60 fps it takes 16.7 ms per line. It seems correct for me after several attempts.

I would forego the whole /pac Embrace <me>. The frequency of you manually having to heal yourself at above 80% is very low. Your fairy will always prioritize your life over anyone else's. Plus, you could just hit F1/Press down on the D-pad to target yourself. >:O! Just a thought!

I just tested it out. It is difficult to tell the difference with just one micon line, but if you stick a bunch of them, it is easy to feel the lag. The one place where I could really notice the difference is in looking at the icon. When you hit a button, it makes a little circular animation on the button every time you press that button, and then the skill darkens for GCD. I noticed I could see more of that circular button press animation on the one micon at the end, meaning that because of the slight delay in the GCD being executed, a split second less of the button press animation was visible.

Hopefully that wasn't too confusing. Bottom line is Mikoko is correct about the micon taking time just as any other macro line.

wow if this is really the case... shame on the intern that coded this one..

The macro system is weak to begin with, but I would have never thought it's so broken that the /micon line takes macro time.

To be fair, if it's part of the lines in a macro, it's going to be read and executed regardless, so complaining about a /micon line taking time is about as useful as complaining about /echo lines also taking up time (Hint: they do). Any lines you put into a macro will have macro time. To expect a /micon to not have macro time is just foolishness.

And in any case, it's only 30ms or so. Not game-breaking enough to be a real big difference.

I play on PC mouse and key board so I don't use the Circle Type Targeting used when executed with a controller. That being said I think the circle type target is seen in game as a mouse over. It could be worthwhile to try using the <mo> target placeholder and see if that does what you need.