About that TP bar

The bar has visible for the whole party for a few weeks now. So, does anyone (Tank or DPS) still have to call out for Goad or Paeon when your TP runs low or is nearly out? For all of the intent, it just seems like nothing's changed for the most part. Aside from some folks nit-picking about the bar in general.

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Originally Posted by Kotemon

The bar has visible for the whole party for a few weeks now. So, does anyone (Tank or DPS) still have to call out for Goad or Paeon when your TP runs low or is nearly out? For all of the intent, it just seems like nothing's changed for the most part. Aside from some folks nit-picking about the bar in general.

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Well I mean, there's times that a healer has to call out for Ballad too. If you need it, don't be shy about calling it out. Odds are the DPS in question is just focusing on rotation and mechanics and hasn't noticed.

So far I have had to call out for Goad to every Ninja I have met. ^^; Must just be unlucky I guess.

Problem is, getting to half~ TP is normal in a standard rotation for my Monk and Dragoon. Ill get to to that halfway point and then hit Invig and suddenly I'm full TP again.

I don't know what you may or may not be planning, and i don't want to waste a Goad on a DRG who hits Invig at exactly the same time.
Sure, i CAN see it, and on my AST i will throw Spire on whoever has the least TP (usually the Tank, they don't have any TP restores) but generally a DPS can handle their own TP regen. So while i can see you getting low, unless you tell me you can't fix it yourself, I have to assume you've planned around it.
Its certainly handy to see, especially on my BRD and MCH since i know when its safe to turn off the Regen. Just because MY TP is full doesn't mean everyone else is also full and that Bar lets me monitor it properly.

As one playing Astrologian as my healing class (I DPS main, but enjoy healing on the side) ... I am in love with the viewable TP bars. Finally FINALLY getting stuck with The Spire doesn't feel like such a Whammy anymore lol ...

As a Ninja, I can actually see who needs TP now. No more "lol I didn't even need that :D" remarks to deal with for me.

Simply useful. But you do need to be aware of when people are poping invigorates usually. I tend to check every so often besides keeping my eye on healer MP. If I see someone going beyoned 50% chances are they need TP regen.

Even if they have invigorate ready there are times it's beneficial to enable someone to save it for a bit later.

I have been getting pretty good results from ASTs. Ninjas are another story though, but that could mostly be because most of them I run into are mouth breathing morons with anime names that don't even know what Goad does.

I'm not going to bother bards though considering the dmg loss they take. I just leave it up to them.

I main NIN, and I'll admit that at first I did not really pay attetion to the TP bar, cause it was still new to me. And for some reason, it manages to hide itself so damn well in between all the buff/deuff icons...

I wish I could simply click on a player name, and choose between either MP or TP bar, instead of having both displayed, but still have that as an option aswell.

But getting more used to having it means being more observant to it.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

I'm not going to bother bards though considering the dmg loss they take. I just leave it up to them.

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Originally Posted by Nikoshae

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It's an interesting phenomenon with Bards today. Do we use our songs willingly giving up 20 percent damage on the one hand only to have others say our dps is sub par and that Bards shouldn't be included in certain content because their overall damage is low.

When I use my Bard I'm quick to play for a healer in need of MP and will play for someone in need of TP including myself. On the other hand I have to chuckle when using Foe to help others while sacrificing my own damage especially in todays parser environment.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

It's an interesting phenomenon with Bards today. Do we use our songs willingly giving up 20 percent damage on the one hand only to have others say our dps is sub par and that Bards shouldn't be included in certain content because their overall damage is low.

When I use my Bard I'm quick to play for a healer in need of MP and will play for someone in need of TP including myself. On the other hand I have to chuckle when using Foe to help others while sacrificing my own damage especially in todays parser environment.

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Nope wrong Foe's Requiem does not hurt your DPS, unless you are counting that three-second cast time in which...no

Also, the damage reduction for Ballad and Paeon is 15% now, changed with HW.

And yeah I try to look at everyone's bars...it's so nice, no more guessing games about who has TP and who doesn't.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Nope wrong Foe's Requiem does not hurt your DPS, unless you are counting that three-second cast time in which...no
Also, the damage reduction for Ballad and Paeon is 15% now, changed with HW.
And yeah I try to look at everyone's bars...it's so nice, no more guessing games about who has TP and who doesn't.

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Thank you for the clarifications. I need to bard more! :)

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Thank you for the clarifications. I need to bard more! :)

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No prob :)
(Yess join the legion of the best job in XIV) I mean what...I said nothing

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Nope wrong Foe's Requiem does not hurt your DPS, unless you are counting that three-second cast time in which...no

Also, the damage reduction for Ballad and Paeon is 15% now, changed with HW.

And yeah I try to look at everyone's bars...it's so nice, no more guessing games about who has TP and who doesn't.

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With the bards i see latelty i almost thought it did, you would think in a 4 man dungeon if the other DPS is a SMN or blm they would foe, i have watched plenty of runs where the bard never even bothers to foes, to the point i thought they got a massive penatly for it.

and let's not get started on the "i refuse to use WM" bards. and yet they rarely ever move when attacking..

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

With the bards i see latelty i almost thought it did, you would think in a 4 man dungeon if the other DPS is a SMN or blm they would foe, i have watched plenty of runs where the bard never even bothers to foes, to the point i thought they got a massive penatly for it.

and let's not get started on the "i refuse to use WM" bards. and yet they rarely ever move when attacking..

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I remember the good ol' days...going into CT and it being a full bard party...for me to be the only one who sings a note.
Sometimes though I'd have to fight for first song...rare, that was...oh well.

Also I have yet to see those in dungeons, mostly because I never get double-bard in any of them... maybe when I level my NIN finally I'll meet them (and smack them upside the head. You aren't moving, use it geez. You ARE moving it better be a good reason.)

In dungeons I tend to sing Foe only at bosses really. Everything else depends on the fight. Some fights I'll open with it others I'll save it for a DPS check though as I get more comfy with fights I see where I can sign and still get enough regen back for the DPS check and then still get enough MP back for TP or MP if needed.

If you have a BLM/SMN in the party, Foe's Requiem will make trash mobs die faster. Which is a very good thing.

Honestly, when I Astro, 99% of the people I've played with haven't needed a Spire, but the fact that I can SEE that they don't need it is fabulous. No one ever asks when I pull it or have it on hold, so I usually just burn it for the AOE card buff.