I know that Ast+Sch are pretty strong right now since both class can buff and you still get to keep the Sch dps. But what about Whm+Ast? Are they as viable? Or should I just stick to Whm+Sch? My static is working on AS3 if that matters.
Are AST+WHM Viable?
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08-30-2015, 04:54 AMBeyondgraveAre AST+WHM Viable?
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08-30-2015, 05:07 AMMercurias
From a healing standpoint, I would say that pairing AST with WHM will allow AST to have a little more freedom in tactics, since it can do the crazy overheal thing in Diurnal as well as throw around shields in Noct. AST shields are honestly fairly decent, albeit the ST shield not as amazing since it won't double the shield on crit.
I also really like what happens when an AST goes bananas on groups of trash with Gravity and you have foes up. It's pretty nice for a ranged AoE on a healer. -
08-30-2015, 10:09 AMBeyondgrave
Yea but Sch dps is still superior to Ast dps by a pretty decent margin. Sch have a reliable group dps buff compare to Ast which is rng. So if you pair Ast with WHM, don't you miss out on the consistent buff compare to having a whm+Sch. But if you go sch+Ast, you have the consistent dps buff of the Sch + the bonus of the nieces albeit rng buff of the Ast.
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08-30-2015, 10:22 AMHyperiusUltimaAST+WHM is decent enough. AST in Diurnal seems to be more useful still than Nocturnal due to the HoT you dish out with Aspected Benefic/Helios that can compare to WHM along with added buffs(Ewer, Balance, Bole, etc.) that can keep the party going. AST also helps deal with WHM's MP problem through Ewer(if it's drawn). Aside from that, they also bring Disable, which is basically all-around 10% mitigation on Anything. Add that with CU's Regen and 10% Mitigation, and you have 20%. WHM can cover for AST with its powerful heals while they're unable to move or cast while CU is up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beyondgrave
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08-30-2015, 10:30 AMRewindIt's most likely that AST+SCH or WHM+SCH would be a stronger combination for the majority of fights as SCH DPS is quite superior in A1 & A2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beyondgrave
That being said, A3s is particularly unique where there are a couple of DPS checks that are associated with burst damage that a WHM could handle just as easily as a SCH (if not better). I also think the double regen effect of AST+WHM would be exceptionally overpowered for A3s.
I guess in the end (buying gear wise, if that's important to you) it would depend on A4s - I'm a "go in blind" type of person so I haven't watched any streams or videos :) -
08-30-2015, 02:33 PMjgg1988
WHM and AST are viable in savage. In my static we are whm and ast ( i'm the ast ). I play in nocturnal stance, our single target shield right now is more than enough and is instant, you can add an stoneskin for more mitigation after the instant shield. Aoe shield is good enough too. So u can shield your party and still having a cure 2 ( benefic 2 ) and medica ( helios ) in your toolkit. Yeah sch do more dps, but your role is heal, HEAL! Anyway astrologian have a decent dps and in trash pulls like A2S i spam gravity sometimes using my mana cd at 90% of my mp. Dont forget you give dps to your party members so if u do less dps they are doing more. I have no problems atm in my static being ast + whm. I hope that i helped you :)
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08-30-2015, 02:55 PMFevelleI had an AST heal with me at Garuda EX synched today, she was always at Diurnal. It wasn't good. The hots always got her aggro from Chirada AND Suparna, and since AST enmity-control skill functions differently from Shroud, I think she couldn't have done anything to lessen the aggro (3 Provokes and 1 en-combo wasn't being enough to pull the adds away from her).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercurias
IDK about the new content, but when paired with a WHM, I'd go with Nocturnal Sect... -
08-30-2015, 03:03 PMjgg1988Sounds like the tank sucks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
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08-30-2015, 03:05 PMHyperiusUltimaThat depends. I don't really know the effectiveness of Nocturnal Sect compared to SCH, but for the most part Luminiferous Aether is like Quelling Strikes, so if they use Luminiferous Aether before burst healing they have the possibility of being safe(provided Aggro is being held).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
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08-30-2015, 03:16 PMjgg1988Yeah :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima
Btw nocturnal stance is fine now. Aspected benefic is is right now better than adloquium ( if crit adloquim wins ).
Aspected benefic in nocturnal stance grants a shield of the amount healed + 30%
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08-30-2015, 06:00 PMAkyio
sch + ast is viable whm + ast is viable. probably the question should be if ast + ast is viable.
since the buffs im pretty keen on using nocturnal with whm, and diurnal with sch.
i really think any combination lately is possible. -
08-30-2015, 07:53 PMGallus
Anything is viable really.
WHM + WHM = overly defensive, might lack a bit of mitigation, but viable.
SCH + SCH = overly aggressive, might lack a bit of heals, but viable.
AST + AST = can either duo diurnal or diurnal + nocturnal, both will work fine, duo nocturnal probably not. Viable.
WHM + AST = very strong combination, heals completely covered and DPS will be probably fine.
SCH + AST = Insane DPS capabilities and will most likely not lack heals at all. -
08-31-2015, 01:08 AMlordparanoia
I just don't understand why people think that diurnalast+whm is viable because of double regens. If you haven't mitigation you cannot consider the couple viable because you would not be able to survive for example a3s.
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08-31-2015, 01:33 AMYurimi
My group does AST + WHM and the results are ok I do have to choose a stance based on needs (A1S Noct for mitigation A2S durial since no mitigation really needed just a lot of healing during the later waves and it helps my DPS with the spell speed bonus attached, not done A3S yet as we are currently on final wave of A2S though only been on it for a week).
I play the roll of DPS healer and we run a DRG SMN BLM BRD as our DPS so proper choice of card use is important to offset my dps shortcomings (balance on the SMN and BLM with a BV foes during A2S is <3) but I can generally keep around 300ish sustained dps on astro through A1S and slightly more with gravity spam in A2S without running my MP dry (though I generally have to manage my MP closely to make sure I can handle the healing during the 4x doll wave since no faerie healing). I am sure with more practice and some work I could probably get my DPS up a bit more but doubt with the MP management tools I have i could match a sch's DPS without running myself dry.
For A3S at least from what I have seen I would think the instant A.Bene from a noct would be quite nice for things like tether. -
09-03-2015, 12:13 AMkoroko220
Don't the regens from ast and whm cancel each other? I could swear that happened to me in an 8 man.
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09-03-2015, 12:14 AMkoroko220
Idk how to edit on phone I should have said overwrite
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09-03-2015, 01:53 AMBeyondgraveNo, their regen stacks. Sch and Ast shield cancel each other out thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by koroko220
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09-03-2015, 02:46 AMSaseal
AST in noct + WHM is fine, in my opinion. I've DFed into Alexander with ASTs quite a bit of times (and oddly, only in Alex o_o) and having no problems - if anything, their shields always make me go "lol, I didn't even need that cure III in that group huddle. I probably didn't even really need to medica o_Oa ...Kinda wish I had Medica II'd earlier just to let the regen fix that teeny damage bit of HP by itself...".
That is, if they don't sit in Cleric and ignore all healing duty, the entire time, to leave me to solo heal without telling me their plan to be purely DPS, first. >__>; Rude u_u