Revelations from Koji & Soken's Wild Ride

PANEL OVAAAR - Live updates finished.

This is just the lore stuff - there's a full summary here and you can still watch it on Twitch.

Answers
- From Hydaelyn's point of view
- The wandering races are lamenting that life is very difficult
- Hydaelyn is trying to explain that only through suffering and experience do you know who you truly are.

Dragonsong
- From Hydaelyn's point of view
- Mostly about the circumstances of the Dragonsong War
- Hydaelyn, by contrast, doesn't understand why her children are behaving this way.

Ravana
- Insectoid, very raw, real, and earthy.
- Many of his moves are like dances, and he is accompanied by butterflies - hence the use of the waltz.
- The lyrics also exist in Dragonspeak and Gnathic. (Will add to the Lyrics thread later.)

Alexander 1-3
- 72323 is meaningless (for now...)

Alexander 4
- Goblins are better at Eorzean (not-gobbie-speak) in ARR to reduce lore load (maybe because they read up on linguistics in Sharlayan)

In General
- They clearly read a lot of the forum discussions (and make fun of them)
- The Twitch stream died during a performance of METAL, so they had to start over.

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Soken
It's all your fault!

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Koji Fox
MY fault!? This is Reddit all over again!

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Thanks for the Live updates, Moose! I was watching the livestream, but it actually cut out for about half of the section on Alexander. Time to update the lyrics thread with a few things...

Edit: I liked how both themes for Alexander were originally Bismark's and Ravana's themes, but got changed at the last minute, haha! It's pretty crazy that they were able to change them so fast, too. But damn did they do a good job!

Answers about Answers, never thought I'd live to see the day

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Alexander 1-3
- 72323 is meaningless.

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I don't even know what that refers to. >_>

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I don't even know what that refers to. >_>

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I think it's in one of the lines in the song, but I have to check again. We haven't done very well transcribing that one entirely.

Localization lead for ff15 sang lyrics for Alexander? That's pretty neat

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Answers
- From Hydaelyn's point of view
- The wandering races are lamenting that life is very difficult
- Hydaelyn is trying to explain that only through suffering and experience do you know who you truly are.

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So how does that relate to Bahamut....or the cycle of Calamities?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

So how does that relate to Bahamut....or the cycle of Calamities?

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cycle, what comes after:

"To all of my children to whom Death hath passed his judgement
The soul yearns for honor, and the flesh the hereafter "

cycle wise, this is self explanatory, thou it indirectly refers to bahamuth in the ''sins of past''

"Now open your eyes while our plight is repeated
Still deaf to our cries, lost in hope we lie defeated
Our souls have been torn, and our bodies forsaken
Bearing sins of the past, for our future is taken"



"Thy Life is a riddle, to bear rapture and sorrow
To listen, to suffer, to entrust unto tomorrow (cycle)
In one fleeting moment, from the Land doth life flow (cycle)
Yet in one fleeting moment, for anew it doth grow (cycle)
In the same fleeting moment thou must live, die and know" (cycle)

i find it easy to find the cycle of calamities and of life, since its directly related. About bahamuth there is nothing we can say its exactly him, not even references to fire or so. All i can see is the reference of the sins of the past. Since bahamuth, well... allag.... meracydia.... Tiamat....

72323? Where the heck is that in the song at all?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

So how does that relate to Bahamut....or the cycle of Calamities?

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The song was written under Tanaka-san before V1's release, and Yoshida-san decided on Bahamut as vehicle for the drastic changes to the world in V2. Bahamut is not invoked in Answers at all, though the core theme of the song can be applied to him.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

I don't even know what that refers to. >_>

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Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

72323? Where the heck is that in the song at all?

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Alright, alright, I went back for it, already, jeez. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...ies/tongue.png

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Transmission begun - Completed
7-2-3-2-3-SEND

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

The song was written under Tanaka-san before V1's release, and Yoshida-san decided on Bahamut as vehicle for the drastic changes to the world in V2. Bahamut is not invoked in Answers at all, though the core theme of the song can be applied to him.



Alright, alright, I went back for it, already, jeez. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...ies/tongue.png

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I always thought the line was

"SETUP to BREACH to RESET" or something :/

So who is the localization lead of FFXV? I need to know how to get my voice that low..

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

So who is the localization lead of FFXV? I need to know how to get my voice that low..

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What, you can't sing in basso profoundo?

HIGH, ON HIGH, I STAND...

(Seriously though I don't blame him for being embarrassed and reluctant. I'd like to get into voice acting, but I'm really nervous and don't think I have a good voice... and can't find any local singing or acting teachers... and have no experience... but well, I'm going really off topic here...)

Fun Fact! Except for Susan Calloway singing the main themes, most of the vocal tracks in the game seem to be sung by SE employees and developers.

Hmm I'm glad answers was finally explained had a friend of mine once say it was about Ala mhigo.

While a lot of people started deciphering Dragonsong and picking up cool info from it since it was shown, Answers was always enigmatic at least for me. It's an amazingly powerful song, and yeah the multiple points of view are clear. But I've been wondering what does that mean? If I'm not mistaken the song was made before the fall of Dalamud decision being made and since it's the song used on ARR intro and T13 battle. Most people tie this song with Bahamut while I always tought it was something else, maybe related to Ascians.

It's cool to finally get the real meaning behind the lyrics. Sounds pretty generic, but the song is still my favorite and you can now understand the reason why the multiple voices collide almost everytime during the song. And it is like you said, the main theme fits with Bahamut. Maybe because the song theme also fits with the Unbral and Astral cycle and Bahamut was there causing the calamity so the memory of suffering are on people's minds.

Ravana song in Dravanian and Gnath? Oooh I wanna see it.

Thanks for the info as always Moose.

If you really think about it Answers is about the cycle of Life, Death and Rebirth. We are born and live...we grow old and know, and then we pass on. They are speaking also about the Astral and Umbral eras. The Sins of the Past are the foolish things that the nations that have come before everyone else have caused, and that we need to take these lessons in the past and use them to not repeat them. "Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after."

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Originally Posted by Kreeon

If you really think about it Answers is about the cycle of Life, Death and Rebirth. We are born and live...we grow old and know, and then we pass on. They are speaking also about the Astral and Umbral eras. The Sins of the Past are the foolish things that the nations that have come before everyone else have caused, and that we need to take these lessons in the past and use them to not repeat them. "Look to those who walked before to lead those who walk after."

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Which worked out nicely with Louisoux sending the Warriors of Light into the future.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

The song was written under Tanaka-san before V1's release, and Yoshida-san decided on Bahamut as vehicle for the drastic changes to the world in V2. Bahamut is not invoked in Answers at all, though the core theme of the song can be applied to him.

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Yes, the original intent of the song seems to have been to describe the cycles Hydaelyn goes through as a whole, and while Her children may face hardships, the adversity will also often help make them stronger and lead the way to a better day for those to come. Yoshida and the lore team (who survived the shake-up from 1.0) simply decided to apply it to Bahamut, since he's sort of a microcosm of what the song is talking about. And since he became such a big symbol of the ARR change, the song was ultimately associated more with him than anyone else.

I has been uploaded on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOgu9798qAw. Quite fun :)