Gardening Topsoil needs better yields

Currently you're only able to get a single Grade 3 Topsoil every hour. Getting Grade 2 and Grade 1 Topsoil is extremely slow as well -- I've bounced between nodes 300 times and only have 4 Grade 2 Topsoil to show for it.

Possible solutions:
-Remove the Rare tag on these items, so you can gather more than one per node.
-Make Grade 1 and 2 Topsoil appear more often.

Either of these would be great. There are barely any players selling Grade 1s and 2s, so I think a change to them is necessary at the very least.

You can send mining retainers out for the first two grades, although they only come back with one at a time so it's still slow. I'd be all for making those grades easier to get.
I'm actually okay with grade 3 as it is. The limit forces cooperation if it's an FC garden or dedication if it's a personal one. But that should be just for the top grade, as a reward for the effort.

I just use the grade 3 topsoils. sure it's only from unspoiled nodes, but you can generally keep up with your usage if you hit the unspoiled nodes whenever they are up -- it's not like the plants finish in under a day anyway.

I'd like to see three new Grade 3 soils mined in Heavensward areas that have a combination of two of the 2.x soil features. For example;
1) An Ishgardian Soil that increases yield & HQ rate.
2) A Dravanian Soil that increases yield & cross breeding.
3) An Abalathian Soil that increases HQ rate & cross breeding.

That would potentially reinvigorate gardening which has gotten very stale. It would also be great if they introduced new seeds and crosses, especially as the whole Botanist 50+ quest line is about doing so!

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Originally Posted by TechnoTechie

I just use the grade 3 topsoils. sure it's only from unspoiled nodes, but you can generally keep up with your usage if you hit the unspoiled nodes whenever they are up -- it's not like the plants finish in under a day anyway.

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I don't catch them up often enough to keep up usage, I also would rather just use lower grades than have to go hit a node every hour. But, using lower grades is actually more of a chore, which is a bit ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by KariArisu

I don't catch them up often enough to keep up usage, I also would rather just use lower grades than have to go hit a node every hour. But, using lower grades is actually more of a chore, which is a bit ridiculous.

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ahh that can be a problem :(
I usually set up a timer on garland tools for the shroud soil (as that's the only one I use anymore) and can generally get about 4-5 a day, but I'm only growing krakka roots for my chocobo really :o

and yea I started using grade 3 because ironically grade 2 were more effort to try and get ...

Greetings, gardeners!

Thanks for the feedback.

The dev. team is aware of this, and currently considering increasing the amount of soil that can be yielded. We're hoping to make this adjustment in Patch 3.4. :o

That's a pleasant thread necro! :D Any details in regards to if it's just the lower grades or if yield will be increased for all of them?

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Greetings, gardeners!

Thanks for the feedback.

The dev. team is aware of this, and currently considering increasing the amount of soil that can be yielded. We're hoping to make this adjustment in Patch 3.4. :o

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That's exactly what I've been hoping for in the past few days. It's crazy only getting one soil per Eorzean hour or venture. As grades 1 & 2 are just hidden drops on normal nodes there's no reason why retainers can't bring higher

I run 17 gardens on two servers, also 19 flowerpots. I am paying as much as 15K for G 3 topsoil. It rarely got over 9K before 3.3. Grade 1 T went from 1 - 2K to 5.

But I am still able to turn a profit. I earn millions of gil for my FCs* each RT week.

Mind you I am not against higher yields or new types of soil. Just saying that if you study gardening you will always be able to turn a profit.

*Running gardens selflessly for my FCs is how I get to manage so many gardens. I REALLY like gardening.

I always found this a bit hilarious. It's like SE was looking no further than, "What is the maximum rate at which we want to allow soils to enter the game in an hour? Five grade 1, or three grade 2, or one grade 3. Sounds right, let's print it."

The difference is, in order to GET those five grade 1 or three grade 2, you have to spend that ENTIRE HOUR mining, whereas with the grade 3 you need to spend five minutes per hour mining, tops. While a grade 2 miner is monotonously flipping from node to node, a grade 3 miner can run a dungeon, do some crafting, then hit the node.

Yeah, an improvement to yield is definitely in order. I garden with pretty much nothing but grade 3's just because they take so much less of my gaming time to collect!

I think most people that want better crop yield, hq or a successful cross are just using G3 as it is. The only time I use the others now is for the flower pots or for the first seed in a fresh crop since it has nothing to cross with. Other than that the lower grades are fairly worthless. It's the G3 soil I'm hoping also get better yields simply because while it is on a timer, that's still 8 hours of waiting to gather a garden plot's worth without using retainers.

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Greetings, gardeners!

Thanks for the feedback.

The dev. team is aware of this, and currently considering increasing the amount of soil that can be yielded. We're hoping to make this adjustment in Patch 3.4. :o

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That's great to hear. Could the dev team also take a look at the rarity of the new *light seeds for growing shards vs yields because it seems like they're way too rare for the number of shards yielded to actually be worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by aesteval

That's great to hear. Could the dev team also take a look at the rarity of the new *light seeds for growing shards vs yields because it seems like they're way too rare for the number of shards yielded to actually be worthwhile.

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AMEN! I spent over an hour gathering to get one levinlight & one other shard seed. They're harder to get than Light-kissed Aethersand, which is theoretically ultra rare!

Retainers need to at least double the amount of catalysts they return too, it's laughable. Ideally the new *light seeds would grow 250 shards in G3 Shroud Soil or 150 crystals in G3 La Noscean Soil. Using G3 Thanalan Soil could even introduce a randomised mutation effect where you get something unusual, like X number of fire clusters from an ice shard seed along with a reduction in the number of ice shards.

How about being able to plant Unaspected Crystals as a cross with *light seeds to multiply the seeds? So many options!

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

I think most people that want better crop yield, hq or a successful cross are just using G3 as it is. The only time I use the others now is for the flower pots or for the first seed in a fresh crop since it has nothing to cross with. Other than that the lower grades are fairly worthless. It's the G3 soil I'm hoping also get better yields simply because while it is on a timer, that's still 8 hours of waiting to gather a garden plot's worth without using retainers.

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Yank that first seed out after the rest are laid out and replant, then it's cross-breeding ;)

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Greetings, gardeners!

Thanks for the feedback.

The dev. team is aware of this, and currently considering increasing the amount of soil that can be yielded. We're hoping to make this adjustment in Patch 3.4. :o

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This would be AWESOME, especially for those, such as myself, who are constantly growing things and don't wanna spend the big bucks to get the soil or wait for a retainer to just bring back 1. Looking forward to this!

Retainers will bring back:
5-10 Grade 1 soils
1-3 Grade 2 soils

In addition they will apparently be easier to obtain via gathering yourself. Unfortunately no changes to grade 3. They're also adding potting soil to vendors which provides no bonus.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Retainers will bring back:
5-10 Grade 1 soils
1-3 Grade 2 soils

In addition they will apparently be easier to obtain via gathering yourself. Unfortunately no changes to grade 3. They're also adding potting soil to vendors which provides no bonus.

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Not quite what we needed but better than nothing.

Thinking it over, is there really much point to having multiple grades of soil with potting soil added? With the lower chances/yield for grade 1 & 2 soil the only reason I'd use it is to either start a fresh crossing rotation or as soil for the indoor flower pots. Now I can just skip the first two grades altogether and use potting soil for all that. Might be time to go the same route as the glamour crystals and just have potting soil, la noscean topsoil, thanalan topsoil and shroud topsoil.

3.4 Gone and went and now we're getting to 4.4. Still no change to the rate :(

I had no idea the Necromancer job had already been released!

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Originally Posted by TisharuSivaslian

3.4 Gone and went and now we're getting to 4.4. Still no change to the rate :(

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From the 3.4 patch notes:
https://i.imgur.com/1w4DIff.png

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Originally Posted by TisharuSivaslian

3.4 Gone and went and now we're getting to 4.4. Still no change to the rate :(

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You can buy Thanalan and La Noscea Grade 3 topsoils for unidentified items in Idleshire - so essiantially you can buy them for 150 poetics a piece.

Well... How often are you able to use them?

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Originally Posted by NameGoesHere

Well... How often are you able to use them?

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Topsoils are 1 use each.

If I understand your question.