Buget PC face off

hello im currently playing on a normal media laptop with a Intel 4000 card.... i have saved up to buy a desk top to go with my old 1920 monitor.

i have found four different pcs from cheapest to the most expensive,. ( Currently on low/ off and everything i can... only get 6-13 fps)

1. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16883227537R 439

2.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883230051 489

3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883230052 499 ( confused why this one is better then then second)

4. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883227614 599 (Way out of budget but comes with a SSD which im told will help FFXIV load times some as well)

Out of these four which will be able to play around 45 FPS if possible and is it worth adding a SSD for this game? Is NVIDA or AMD better? im very new to PC and the part differences so im hoping to get some incite from players with this knowledge!

NVIDIA and AMD are preferences. i have used both and prefer Nvidia for certain things but AMD has other things that Nvidia can't do and vice versa.

i would go with the build that comes with the SSD.

the 599 one. it is not much. you want a 2 gig minimum.

yes you have a better CPU but the GT 720 card will hold it back.

you might be able to grab 30 frames with the R7's. though the R7 250X is the better performance of it.

Man these builds are terrible first thing that popped up in google is way better option for a little bit more.

https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/DFPxF...-960-gaming-pc

Way better performance out of this build for 16$ more.

You could always drop the SSD to lower the overall price - sure load times will suffer but youll still get good FPS/Quality ratio regardless.

i would definitely go with that build over the other 4.

the original 4 are bad. i picked one out of the 4.

the list though is a build it yourself. so i can see why it might not be a go to in a way. unless you know someone who can.

i am on a SSD for the game and love it. when i load other games on the 2nd HDD i have. i see the suffering on load times.

wow sad to see all of them are bad... other pc build is more pricey and im not comfortable trying to assemble for the first time when the budget is already so tight. out of the ones i selected even though they are all bad will any get me over 40 fps

It's this just the video card holding these back?

The video and power supply in all of these units is where the slow down is going to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sph6cjJeRdI


The reason I say Power supply is you couldn't even run a better video card with the 300-400 W power supply in these systems.

Yeah, with those systems you are paying for case flash, and they get sales by people thinking "Oh, yeah, this what a gaming PC should look like"

Having a SSD is a pretty big deal as well. Loading times on anything remotely new will be a killer without one.

Can anyone suggest another premade pc by chance (within five hundred) or another website or sites I can use? I'm hearing mixed things about newegg. Just coming from a laptop that has everything (I think ) turned off our as down as possible, even playing on a lower resolution I'm still getting terrible fps 6 with ppl 12 by myself.....which in turn makes the game not so enjoyable during group play..... Not to mention ninja mudra input..... I just want to ruin this on my 1920 on a decent fps... Not ultra but I would like to have others effects on to see the cool moves.... and explore the world without all the clipping...

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Originally Posted by SavageRico

wow sad to see all of them are bad... other pc build is more pricey and im not comfortable trying to assemble for the first time when the budget is already so tight. out of the ones i selected even though they are all bad will any get me over 40 fps

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Putting together your own system is actually really simple. The case and mobo usually come with pretty in-depth instructions telling you where to mount the various components and make all of the various connections to.

The last two machines I bought were factory refurbs. They went back to the manufacturer and were stress tested, parts were replaced and they were sent back out with base OS.

I'm running an i5 3.3 Ghz quad with 10GB ram that I got for $300 US. If I can find a modular power supply that fits in it, I'll get a 750 ti low profile as the supply in it only has 240 watts but the 610 card I got is running this and everything else I play. Is it brag worthy? No but I still have a hard time wrapping my head around paying $600 for a vid card so I'll make due.

Where can I view some of the used systems?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PS4-500GB-...tered/42935498 = Budget computer that plays FFXIV very well.

Sadly, "Budget" and "PC gaming" tend to be mutually exclusive.

If you can't spend more then $500 I would honestly hold off.
$900 is kind of where the price starts to be best bang for your buck range.

Anything below $600 you aren't getting bang for your buck.

Anything above $1100 diminishing returns on your $

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Putting together your own system is actually really simple. The case and mobo usually come with pretty in-depth instructions telling you where to mount the various components and make all of the various connections to.

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Interesting.... So after securing the mother board everything else is simple to put in place?

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Originally Posted by SavageRico

Interesting.... So after securing the mother board everything else is simple to put in place?

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I wouldn't call it "simple", it can be daunting if you don't have any clue what you are doing, but if you watch a video on the basics, anyone can do it.

Yet another thread? Can't stay indecisive forever ~.^

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

Sadly, "Budget" and "PC gaming" tend to be mutually exclusive.

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Sorry, but I gotta disagree with this. Now if the OP wants a console just to avoid the hassle of fussing with computer specs, sure, more power to him.

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Editing because I'm running up against the stupid daily post limit. Here's my thoughts:

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Originally Posted by SavageRico

Thank the stars your here! I found two more but sadly it seems all my choices suck.... Please any input on the new systems I added?

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1. Solid gaming machine that sticks to the basics with no frills. Oh, someone going to complain it can't do good graphics? Hahahahahaha.
2. Same as above, but with a slightly worse video card in exchange for a slightly better CPU. This might be a good trade off for video editing or something but for gaming... #1 is better.
3. ...Video GPU is nvidia but has less memory and performs slightly worse than the R7 250 (but only very slightly).... I wouldn't bother with it http://i.imgur.com/woXV0xD.png
4. Same video capability as #1, but with a bigger hard drive and an SSD and a stronger CPU. So it gives you some room to grow. As discussed before, SSDs do give you better load times but any desktop hard drive will be faster than your old notebook. So, do you want loadtimes to be lightning fast? (I won't deny it; like a performance car, it's really nice... but it's also a luxury).
Honestly, you won't notice the CPU difference unless you edit videos, encode DVDs, run some really intense simulations (they kind they do in universities, not ones branded Microsoft or something)....that sort of thing

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It is worth noting that, as others say, you do get the best bang for your buck building your own. However, the markup from those smaller names like the ones you link to is considerably less. So... if you want to go that route, it's really how comfortable you are with building a computer (go on youtube and search around, lots of guide videos).

The console route is also viable if you just don't want to deal with all this. xD (But you would need to buy FFXIV for the PS4 to move your account over)

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Yet another thread? Can't stay indecisive forever ~.^



Sorry, but I gotta disagree with this. Now if the OP wants a console just to avoid the hassle of fussing with computer specs, sure, more power to him.

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Thank the stars your here! I found two more but sadly it seems all my choices suck.... Please any input on the new systems I added?

You aren't really going to get a good pc for the money unless you build your own. All perbuilts have a high mark up and use lower quality parts. I never built a PC then decided to build my last one and it wasn't very hard at all. It similar to putting together legos.

I'm hoping that number one comes back in stock by next Friday then if not I'll see about number four if I can afford it.

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I'm hoping that number one comes back in stock by next Friday then if not I'll see about number four if I can afford it.

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Cheers.

It's also worth mentioning there is one very distinct advantage of PCs. If you come into some money down the road a bit, you can pull out that graphics card and put in a monster, or similarly upgrade any other part. For now... just enjoy having a lot more capability than the 4000HD and the pretty sights in all the world and dungeons and, when you get to 60, the fancy endgame raids.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

1. Solid gaming machine that sticks to the basics with no frills. Oh, someone going to complain it can't do good graphics? Hahahahahaha.

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Not to nitpick but most of those show games running at high settings at 1366x720 by the OP's original post I assume his "1920" monitor I assume he wants to run the game in 1920x1080 which with a card like that he may be lucky to get 15-20fps and far from the 45 fps he is wanting

thats true i would like to play on 1920x1080 but i wouldnt have any settings on max. most i would like is to just have others animations on and leave everything on low or off because the game looks great (shadows look blocky but i assume its my laptops fault). would that help raise the fps at all?


Edit* any other game pc websites anyone can suggest? im afraid to use pcbuilder due to me being ignorant of compadability of parts and whats a good brand/type to use

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Cheers.

It's also worth mentioning there is one very distinct advantage of PCs. If you come into some money down the road a bit, you can pull out that graphics card and put in a monster, or similarly upgrade any other part. For now... just enjoy having a lot more capability than the 4000HD and the pretty sights in all the world and dungeons and, when you get to 60, the fancy endgame raids.

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with my luck it will still be out of stock and ill have to try to understand how to tell a bad video card from a decent one ^^;

TC, I implore you to continue saving your money and build a rig. You will get so much more for your money, and if you continue putting aside some money wherever you can (comfortably), then getting a better part for your computer is only a matter of waiting an extra week or two.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

Literally everything you need to know about PC building is available on that website. I was in a similar position as you a few months ago - I hadn't the faintest clue about what goes into a computer. However, I decided my PS4 just wasn't a sufficient experience for XIV and decided to start saving up over a few months to buy a decent rig. During that time, I did research on that site and actually had a blast planning what parts I would buy. The assembly was easy as a first timer - the only thing that really requires thought is cable management, and you can honestly get away with mediocre cable management if your PC still stays cool.

Furthermore, by building your own PC, you avoid the low-quality power supplies that are used in most prebuilt computers. You seem to be very cost conscious. You wouldn't want this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrijOqu5oR4 to happen to your $600 purchase, would you?

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

Not to nitpick but most of those show games running at high settings at 1366x720 by the OP's original post I assume his "1920" monitor I assume he wants to run the game in 1920x1080 which with a card like that he may be lucky to get 15-20fps and far from the 45 fps he is wanting

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Settings are adjustable. Medium would probably get him pretty decent FPS @1080 and really doesn't look bad.

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That is an awesome website.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/


Im going to try looking into building the pc in the 500 tier list with the SSD and 8GB of ram. (only thing going on here will be the OS, FFXIV and WoW so i will use my laptop for other stuff till i can get a HDD drive to add. im still intimidated about building it though but it seems everything else is a rip off :(

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Originally Posted by SavageRico

Im going to try looking into building the pc in the 500 tier list with the SSD and 8GB of ram. (only thing going on here will be the OS, FFXIV and WoW so i will use my laptop for other stuff till i can get a HDD drive to add. im still intimidated about building it though but it seems everything else is a rip off :(

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It is the most efficient way to go. See if you can get a friend that can help you (in person). If not... Video guides are not as good but follow them carefully and they should see you through. And as a bonus, it's much easier once you've done it... well, once. Next time you need a computer you'll be able to do this with ease.

Good luck.