So when does Platinum Mirage opens up ?

Been ages since not been opened ?

From what I understand the Platinum Mirage was a casino used in the 1.0 Pugilist quests.

It would be nice to see it for story and lore purposes but I don't see a reason to have an active casino at the Mirage when we have the entire Golden Saucer now.

It was also used in the final set of Beastmen quests after you maxed out rank with all the other tribes. You technically got to go inside, but...

*casts verraise on this thread*

I just came from a thread suggesting more gold saucer activities and I think it would be fun to open the platinum mirage for players where they can play classic casino games with a FF twist.

Slot machines
Roulette
Poker
Blackjack

It could even feature its own time based game with keno instead of a lottery.

Lore wise it might be fun if this casino acts as gold saucers competition putting Lolorito (the platinum mirage's owner) on a pedestal as Godbert's rival in a humerous light.

It could have its own currency, with its own selection of prizes.

Um, never? Lore wise the Platinum Mirage is an exclusive casino/club that only caters to the elite of Ul'dahn society (such as Syndicate members), so mere riff-raff adventurers like the player do not qualify. Instead, mere 'plebians' like adventurers have the Gold Saucer for such frivolities. Also on that point about it's exclusiveness, you have to remember the Platinum Mirage was formerly owned by Teledji-Adeleji and... well... we know what happened to him (yes I know Lolorito took it over after... Teledji became half the man he used to be, but we're still no friend of Lolorito's either, except when he can use us for his own ends).

Either way, it means sadly the Platinum Mirage will remain inaccessible except for the occasional quest line, like the Colosseum.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

mere riff-raff adventurers like the player

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Im sure you meant to say "Godslaying saviours of Eorzia and liberator of nations"? A lot of wich are multi millionaires. Not to mention have very close ties to existing members of the syndicate. (Godbert, Raubahn and the Sultana herself) The factions recognize you as such from a certain point in the game. To keep referring to the warrior of light as a random mook becomes an insult. Ignoring the few random NPC's that keep doing this throughout the game with a text bubble.

Also, while Lolorito is best kept at arms lenght, there is definetly a bond of mutual benefit going between him and the warrior of light. Remember that he is also in charge of the east aldenard trading company that played an important role in the liberation of Doma in order to benefit off a weakened Garlean empire. There is no way that he would not benefit from giving the warrior of light access to his casino. Especially if he intends to compete with the gold saucer by convincing their famous celebrity quest to come to his establishment as well and spend money.

Considering a place of actual gambling (and gambling mini-games) is a very touchy thing on MMOs, I would say never. Lore wise they could come up with dozens of ways to have us be able to go in, but don't expect to be able to partake of the activities therein.

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Originally Posted by Erudito

Considering a place of actual gambling (and gambling mini-games) is a very touchy thing on MMOs [...]

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How so?

Loot has been a gamble for years without issue in MMOs, often with the full intention of abusing the gambler's fallacy to make people play more than they should. Khloe's book is little different from playing Roulette or Craps with the option to re-roll a couple times. The main difference is that you don't bet currency to get currency, but you bet time and effort to get items.
There's nary a bigger gamble than Triple Triad under Chaos + Random rules when you got a sizeable collection and many NPCs employ that. "Any Way The Wind Blows" works under a similar principle - You pay the 50 MGP fee, then bet on a point in the stage every round and you might get hit and lose your entry fee or don't get hit and win MGP. The only difference here is that you use game currency to gain game currency, rather than real money.

I don't really see why gambling would be an issue in a MMO unless it's one of those double standard things.

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Originally Posted by Saiah

Ignoring the few random NPC's that keep doing this throughout the game.

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That twit in Gridania that threatens me away from the elite housing district can piss right off. :-(

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Originally Posted by Zojha

How so?

I don't really see why gambling would be an issue in a MMO unless it's one of those double standard things.

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Legality. You start getting into really weird legal loopholes when you make games based on gambling, ala slot machines. Note that Golden Saucer using it's own currency we can't convert to the main game's currency, gil, and so many of the games being unique minigames are a way to get around the laws. It's more of an amusement park or arcade in practice verses a casino.

Adding an area that's a literal virtual casino in both name and practice would up piss off a ratings board and could be seen as pushing gambling onto children since FFXIV has teenager friendly ratings.

Basically, virtual gambling gets super sketchy.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Basically, virtual gambling gets super sketchy.

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Pretty sure virtual gambling only gets murky once real-life money enters the equation. If you're spending cash for gil, and then frittering it away, then the lawyers' ears might perk a bit, but officially in this game it is not allowable to trade real-life money for gil. A way to gamble away in-game currency isn't even gonna ding their radars.

And, to be fair, even if real-life money is involved those ears might perk, but not by much. Gacha-based mobile games are a huge thing right now, and that's almost explicitly spending real-life money to spin the virtual roulette wheel. If the legal train gets rolling, those will definitely be the first stop.

Particularly in China and Korea. Actual gambling mechanics are incredibly risky, because players can start betting actual money, this is a huge legal liability. I've seen things as simple as 6sided dice removed from games like Mabinogi because actual gambling became a thing.

Yeah..I think the reason why they can't do it is because of the game's rating and the propensity for gambling / spending real money in game. There are some odd rules when you start going international. I think it was china that had a rule that you couldn't show bones in a video game or something.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Gacha-based mobile games are a huge thing right now, and that's almost explicitly spending real-life money to spin the virtual roulette wheel. If the legal train gets rolling, those will definitely be the first stop.

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Interestingly, China recently passed a law stating that any and all "gacha" or lootbox based systems MUST report to the players the exact percentages they have for receiving specific items they are rolling for.

I found this interesting as it meant Blizzard would be forced to reveal how their lootboxes were stacked.... Only for Blizz to stop selling lootboxes to Chinese players altogether, instead forcing them to buy the ingame currency directly. Lame.

But, you also need to note that Gachapon and lootboxes don't leave you empty handed. You can't "lose," so to speak, even though the chance at valuable prizes are the reason you keep coming back and spending more.

That's one of the loopholes.

As I recall, there are laws in certain countries against blatant gambling games, which is why the game corner was removed/replaced in the re-releases of Pokemon gen 1 and 2. Those same laws are likely why we can't have slot machines or poker or such in FFXIV