Chemist Class (Like Tactics)

I don't know where to put this, but I wanted it to be posted. In case I can get a billion people to like it and then Square HAS to make it a reality.
But I desperately want a Chemist healing class.
It could would like the ninja, where different combinations has results.
Like this heal, then this heal, creates this effect.
Or this heal, then this other heal, creates this new effect.
Etc.

My heart would belong to this class. And I think it would be very unique and fun. And the gear aesthetic would be cool as heck!

In an interview they actually said this was one of the healers they considered adding. So... I think it's possible we could see it in a future expac. Now how the mechanics will work, who knows.

I've always thought of this too. A healer combining different ingredients/skills during battle to have alternate healing effects and then classic chemist style, throwing a bottle at the teammate and having it shatter glorious healing liquid onto them.

I don't want to ruin anyone's fun, but I guess this will need much more thought:

Devs said they were working on trying to fix mudra's lag problem. Until then, it's hard to see your idea working, but once it's done, it could be awesome! Especially with every combination generating a different buff. (ASTs would die of envy)

Mixing real mats in battle can also be a problem. Devs said they would never make Ninjas have Throw because they would need to carry good weapons/gear only to throw away. They even told about the possibility of people in raids making Ninjas throw allagan gear(Now prototype) only to keep high DPS... It would be unfair. Can you imagine people yelling at each other because you've got out of High Elixirs? I can. That's the reason I think Samurai won't have coin toss either, but let's see... They could give it a 'mixing potions' animation, who knows...

As I said, it may require a lot of thinking from the Dev team, but it's not impossible. I really liked the idea and if the next expac brings one more healer, that's one of the jobs I'd like to see implemented. ^.^

Love the idea. For some reason I'm picturing the girl in Big Hero 6 loading cartridges in and firing them out of some sort of gun to make different combo's. Though I agree if it has a similar 'enter combo + activate' like Ninja, they'd need to solve that lag issue. Its bad enough on a dps. As a healer it could be catastrophic but we have a while before a new healer crops up so skies the limit. It has a lot of potential for some neat effects and moves. Maybe a combo that is a ground targeted plume of gas/smoke that tags anyone who passes through it with a regen effect? Or maybe they can mix concoctions and place them on the ground. Lets say, maybe they can have two up at any given time. First player who runs over it, activates it and gets a heal etc? Definitely one I'd like to see fleshed out as well.

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Originally Posted by BroodingFicus

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Honestly, the mudra lag problem would be "less" problimatic on a healer than a dps. Dps is about maintaining numbers, and any lag in the rotation effectively lowers your numbers. Healing is about keeping people alive. It would be no different than the benediction lag WHM's deal with. And they deal with it.

We already have a chemist but as a DoH rather than a DoW/DoM. I have no idea how will they implement this. If they're being gated by items, this will even be a bigger issue since you can't make potions mid fight... Unless Move-Find-Item will be part of its trait. It would even be more interesting if they were a DoW instead of a DoM.

I made an idea similar to this. Basically, the system worked like a combination of Aetherflow and the Mudra system. They have 3 "skills" Vitamins, Minerals, and Toxins, similar to the Mudras, a Mix skill similar to Ninjutsu, and a Replenish skill like Aetherflow. The basic concept was you have these 3 skills given at different levels and by mixing 2 or more you create an effect. The more Vitamins activate a heal, the more minerals activate a buff, and the more toxins activate a debuff. There was also an additional skill gained at a later level called Compound that turned the mixture into an attack. Basically each ingrediant would hold 30 at a time and when you start to get low you wouod replenish your supply. I never made a mixture list, but you can look at my job mockup by following the link below. Though I may need to adjust a few things I think a few things might be worded wrong, not so wrong, but odd wrong. Also it was made befoe the expansion so yeah... lol.

Chemist would be cool as a channeling type healer, for example their basic heal would start at 150ish potency but have reduced casting time and for each second you cast the potency will increase by a cetain amount up to a maximum of 450 (just an idea) with the freedom to cancel the skill at any time but get the penalty in potency based on how long you channeled , like mixing potions of sorts , you know mixing longer becoming more potent. Or maybe something like delayed heals, you put a heal on someone with no effect initially and when a certain DMG threshold is met the heal will take effect healing that person instantly, and for healer cooldowns something like "Mad Chemist", it puts them into a frenzy and makes their heals chain to nearby targets for a lesser effect based on how many targets it chained like 100% - 45% -22% , mimicking a mad scientist trowing vials arround , hell they can even make it so some of their potions are actually buffs to the party.

My toughts for Chemist are the same as yours, but I'd like the class to be a MP/TP hybrid class, who can Mix concoctions to buff the party. Healing-wise, it would have rapid cast heals with lower potency, with OCD abilities for added effects. I took my time creating a Skill/Trait set but I'm at work, and I don't remember much of it.

I would like to see a non-mage healer that heals using magitek devices

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Originally Posted by DestinovaTrueblade

I would like to see a non-mage healer that heals using magitek devices

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GARLEAN RACE CONFIRMED
But seriously, I would love to see something like the Technomage from Grand Chase, but healing focused, in FFXIV.

I would love to play a Stripper I mean Chemist.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...work_Rikku.png

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If these Chemists could have additional effects when using items, it would really give a reason for people to craft and use items outside of Arbitrary Tier of Stat potions.

Could mix and have different effects for buffs similar to AST cards but based on Rikku's mix command in FFX. Mixing different abilitkes results in lowered mp use/tp use/haste/etc. Their lv3 LB would have to be Megalixir, but obv would just heal HP and Raise. Dps skills could be the various poison/venom potions but named differently from actual items, a napalm bomb that acts like Flaming Arrow, cluster/frag bombs and cast animations could be the Chemist mixing powders and vials together. Their main weapon could be uhhh a single wield knife? Or maybe a hand gun (opposed to MCH's rifle), or a beaker but that seems kinda dumb. Maybe a Mace since maces don't really exist in this game outside of Armorer and Blacksmith weapons.

Damn this is a dope idea. I might even rich my beloved SCH if SE added a similar class

I was hoping they would add Chemist first. It could be a pure buff/debuff support class, working with short-duration potions

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Originally Posted by rawker

We already have a chemist but as a DoH rather than a DoW/DoM. I have no idea how will they implement this. If they're being gated by items, this will even be a bigger issue since you can't make potions mid fight... Unless Move-Find-Item will be part of its trait. It would even be more interesting if they were a DoW instead of a DoM.

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Well as far as I know chemistry doesn't equal to alchemy. The DoH class is called alchemist, not chemist(in english translation of the game atleast.)

As for "crafting mid fight" you talked about, I'd assume the class doesn't use any consumables for that but instead similar system to Mudras. If the class would be based on "combining materials/crafting potions" to make different healing effects that is.

Maybe it'll work like nothing any of us has though.

I think a chemist would use tp. Healing moves could be potion, hi potion, X potion. Elixir and megalixer for aoe heals. But these would be different from their item counterparts. Maybe a tonic to restore mp to party members. And of course a Phoenix down.
And because he's making all these from scratch, there would have to be a mix/prep time (instead of a cast bar)

And OMG a de-buffing class. Poison flask. Sleep flask. (Cant think of any more off the top of my head)
weapon could be a mortar and pestle.
Maybe bombs for attacking. We could even use the "flask de-buffs" to coat the bombs.
How about a "concentration" stance where you actually sit down to focus on your mixing, but it increases potency and range of heals.

I don't like the idea of having to use actual items. But Chemist as a support healing class that uses a mix of MP and TP sounds nice. Mixing and matching certain spell combinations to get certain powerful heals/buffs and the same thing for debuffs. Maybe have very powerful mixed heals and debuffs to compensate for the build up time.

Any future healer will have to be "viable" for endgame or else we will see dozens of threads saying the new healer is too weak etc.
They already made a new healer and that was ast. How many threads etc did u see revolve around the mechanics of ast?
- omg too much rng in cards plz rework ( defeats purpose of being called shuffle )
- omg healing potency too weak plz buff
- omg the abilities r so useless.

No imagine chemist being bashed by the 3 healers + the endgame raid groups.
SE will be like ughhh here we go again.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Any future healer will have to be "viable" for endgame or else we will see dozens of threads saying the new healer is too weak etc.
They already made a new healer and that was ast. How many threads etc did u see revolve around the mechanics of ast?
- omg too much rng in cards plz rework ( defeats purpose of being called shuffle )
- omg healing potency too weak plz buff
- omg the abilities r so useless.

No imagine chemist being bashed by the 3 healers + the endgame raid groups.
SE will be like ughhh here we go again.

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That's why a game can't be both casual and hardcore focused. The hardcore people will always complain about changes made to achieve more fun because that isn't "viable for endgame".

imo would like a dancer healer using differents dances to heal, in different combinations of dances to execute like ninja with mundra.

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Originally Posted by AppropriateName4587

imo would like a dancer healer using differents dances to heal, in different combinations of dances to execute like ninja with mundra.

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Yes but dancing to heal seems so cheesy. Using healing potions seems much more appropriate.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

That's why a game can't be both casual and hardcore focused. The hardcore people will always complain about changes made to achieve more fun because that isn't "viable for endgame".

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Yup because there's only so much content in this game that u can have fun with.
More content = more diversity vs.
Alexander savage is the endgame for everyone that isn't a crafter or gatherer.
Also with how raid fights r designed there are only 3 unavoidable damage outputs.
- tank busters
- raid wide damage
- single target damage
So SE needs to take these factors into consideration when designing a new healer.

If the healer is lacking in one of these then its the end of the world.

I would like a melee healer so far all healers are long range time mix it up, so either dancer they can dance on enemies faces while healing allies, or a psychic class that uses the power of there mind to heal in debuff enemies having them fight each other or something.

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

Yes but dancing to heal seems so cheesy. Using healing potions seems much more appropriate.

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Try thinking of it as their dancing is a way of manipulationg the aether around them to give it a form/flow and manipulate it into a party member's body to recover HP. If you've ever seen avatar think of Dancer like a Bender.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

That's why a game can't be both casual and hardcore focused. The hardcore people will always complain about changes made to achieve more fun because that isn't "viable for endgame".

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FFXIV actually does a good job of providing a wide variety of content (if anything, the game is more casual-focused than it is hardcore). I also don't see where adjustments to AST made the game anything other than more enjoyable for the majority of players, whether we're talking about casual or more difficult content....

I'm sure SE is staffed by big boys and girls who can take some constructive criticism. They know that introducing new Jobs etc. will provoke a rush of both positive and negative feedback, and that's just how it goes. They can be worried when players stop asking for buffs, nerfs, additions, etc., because that will mean that no one cares.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Try thinking of it as their dancing is a way of manipulationg the aether around them to give it a form/flow and manipulate it into a party member's body to recover HP. If you've ever seen avatar think of Dancer like a Bender.

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Honestly dancing seems easier to justify than healing potions. I rather imagine Chemist breaking bottles over people's heads.... If we want to get fancy, I suppose you could have animations where a stylized potion flask appears over the target's head and pours the magic onto them, but that's still more than a tad cheesy.


About the only way I see Chemist making "sense" (granted, this is fantasy we are talking about) is as a mage who carries a variety of fantastic pseudo-science spell components around and combines them on the fly to create magic effects.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Honestly dancing seems easier to justify than healing potions. I rather imagine Chemist breaking bottles over people's heads.... If we want to get fancy, I suppose you could have animations where a stylized potion flask appears over the target's head and pours the magic onto them, but that's still more than a tad cheesy.


About the only way I see Chemist making "sense" (granted, this is fantasy we are talking about) is as a mage who carries a variety of fantastic pseudo-science spell components around and combines them on the fly to create magic effects.

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Just give them a gun. They could mix things and shoot them.
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...-alchemist.jpg

I remembered this post from the ffxiv subreddit.

I think it needs tweaks to be playable as a healing class in game, but it certainly was interesting and a refreshingly new class outline.