BRD or MCH for raiding

I will be 60 on both soon.

and I have enough ESO`s for my weapon just curious to all the raid leaders out their which you would rather have for your raids. I realize raid comp makes a large part of thise but if you could have either which would you rather see most of the time? Also i know there is a range penatly to damage in pvp, does this also occur in pve ?? i didnt think so just thought i would check.

Raid comp is everything. No point having a bard in a 3 melee composition as an example.

In a typical dps raid comp of 2 melee 1 range and 1 mage, either is fine.
Both a MCH and BRD have cleared A4S to this date.

So as for what raid leaders prefer? They probally don't care nor should you. Play the one you like, get better at it and you'll have fun raiding.

I have both ready for raiding, depending on what people want that day (though my raid leader has a strange, insatiable hatred for MCH sooooo the point is I could raid with both).

So do whichever you like more, to be honest.

As other's said, it depends on the team comp and how you are positioned for certain savage turns.
MCH can squeeze out more raid wide dps than a bard if the MCH has the right team comp.
They are pretty much equal in terms of DPS, it just depends on what your group focuses on.
If your group puts the focus on a BLM/SMN as the "highest" base dps, then a bard will be better suited for that.
If your group puts the focus on a MNK/DRG/NIN as the "highest" base dps, then a MCH is better suited.

a bard is better imo because of how the fights are in savage as well as how smn and blm being close up to melee at this point. (multiple targets aoe for casters to bring more damage burst as well as foes making them burst here and there like crazy)

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Originally Posted by Minorinz

a bard is better imo because of how the fights are in savage as well as how smn and blm being close up to melee at this point. (multiple targets aoe for casters to bring more damage burst as well as foes making them burst here and there like crazy)

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Only situation I can imagine BRD being better is in AS2. It is all about party composition.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Only situation I can imagine BRD being better is in AS2. It is all about party composition.

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Actually. Bard is superior on AS1- because they benefit more from multi-dotting, I personally like MCH better for AS2 but i bet that depends a lot on party comp. As3, preference, however BRD is just flat better dps mathematically, same for AS4.

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Originally Posted by Ryythe

Actually. Bard is superior on AS1- because they benefit more from multi-dotting, I personally like MCH better for AS2 but i bet that depends a lot on party comp. As3, preference, however BRD is just flat better dps mathematically, same for AS4.

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If you are talking about straight competition between the two, then sure, but I take the support side into mind also. I don't look down on either job and both are more than viable for all turns in Savage. It boils down to two things: "Which job do you enjoy more?" and "Which jobs seems most appropriate for my party composition?". I have both jobs at 60 with the mindset that one may be preferred over another, but Esoteric gear has made it somewhat harder to bring one over another. Getting 210 gear over time however will balance that out for me again.

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Originally Posted by Ryythe

however BRD is just flat better dps mathematically, same for AS4.

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Please bring us this maths. I would like to know how solid are your maths and why BRD is just flat better DPS mathematically.

Both work.
If you are able to master MCH it edges bard on dps, if you'r not then BRD has probably a slightly lower skill ceiling.

BRD also has some clunkiness which the MCH doesn't suffer from since it was designed for its toolkit.
And with current buff MCH gets to move even more than before without needing to drop Gauss.

As from raid leader standpoint, most raid groups look for a BRD/MCH not one or the other specifically.
Although I would prefer to raid with a MCH over BRD, it's just that right now there are not enough skilled MCH out there to be picky about one or the other and player skill is more important.
I expect things to change in favor of MCH if nothing changes, but this will be for the next tier of raiding and it still won't exclude skilled bards, just have people want the MCH more. (Because of the role they fulfill)

I'd say go with the one that you feel that you can perform better on and that feels more fun to play to you.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Only situation I can imagine BRD being better is in AS2. It is all about party composition.

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if it's 3 melee then sure but any party with a caster and multiple targets like oppressor/0.5 on A1, aoe in A2 and hand splits in A3. Your caster will most likely be top dps with foes by a margin with 100% or 80% foes uptime. At least this is the case in my group. I'm top dps in A1, A2 and sometimes A3 if I don't mess it up + foes on last phase. The dps difference with mch vs bard is somewhat minor but their buffs cover up for it, the rest depends on how good the players are in your group especially the caster.

Hey Preachir, find me in game some time and we can share tips (almost at lv 57 on my DRG)