Will square enix ever make weapon based skills?

Hi guys so during the downtime on the servers I started wondering, Will we ever see weapon based skills from high level weapons? or end game weapons? example: In ff11 Excalibur gave the wielder the weapon skill: knights of the round. I honestly think It would be awesome to grind for a badass weapon that gave off a distinct skill or did crazy damage, Kinda shows the hardcore from the softcore players my personal opinion of course. So yeah guys comment up, tell me what you think.

P.S. please no bashing just a fun thread :)

I think SCH's LB3, Angelic Feather, really based by Last Resort Zeta's weapon effect. :)

That was something that was really neat about ffxi. You aren't the only person that has mentioned wanting that.
I think it's a great idea too.

I'm sure it's on SE's list of stuff they want to try. I'd imagine it's one of the harder things to balance. Imagine you have a great sword that gives you a strong skill, but then suddenly another boss kill gives you a stronger sword, but it has a gimp ability.
So like, you'd have to decide to take items based on abilities AND their stats, etc.

People already get mad for people trying out weird combos of gear. Just think of all that drama this would cause.

"I'm using my lvl60 sword cause it has a skill I like. It doesn't matter I'm level 80 now. I'm white knight of justice, I will tank as I please" (Tank immediately dies to a lvl80 rabbit because of insufficient vitality given by poor choice of gear)

We'd need more (and probably longer lasting) weapons for that to be interesting, I think.

Typically we only have 2 or 3 ilvl-relevant weapons for a job at a given time.
e.g. Eso + Gordian right now
Dreadwyrm + Poetic + Relic during FCoB
High Allagan + Soldiery + Relic during SCoB

Yes I want it, but have it only change the animation of pre-existing skills. Like a special moogle rod popping out happy moogles whenever you heal someone or something.

Most likely never going to be a feature. Such weapons would contribute to raid exclusiveness, where encounters are designed taking said special ws's into account, and players being barred from raiding because they don't have said weapon.

Anyone remember moogle fist weapons in 1.0 having stars and exclamation effects coming out of the point of impact?

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Originally Posted by KaedrianLiang

Most likely never going to be a feature. Such weapons would contribute to raid exclusiveness, where encounters are designed taking said special ws's into account, and players being barred from raiding because they don't have said weapon.

Anyone remember moogle fist weapons in 1.0 having stars and exclamation effects coming out of the point of impact?

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Oh yea, my legacy 1.0 friend mentioned that. Didn't all the moogle weapon's animations get nerfed? /sadface Like they told me the pld sword's moogle face made expressions and blinked and stuff. He's like a little statue now but the wings wiggle atleast.

PS3 limitations?

Maybe they will include this with the 3.1 relics? just plan on making it so those relic weapons will stick around for longer and when new classes are added their version of the relic weapon quest is easier up until the current peak. so like if we got a new class when the new relic weapons were at five evolutions and they were getting evolution six and seven the new classes relic would follow the same path with reduced requirements up until it reached five, and then would have the same requirments to reach six and seven.

I agree with the comments, Square enix will you please give new weapon skills to end game or high tier relics weapon's or static effects for end game gear

I think the only way this would work is once you have acquired said Skill is then you have it for life, as Cheire mentioned once you get a better weapon that dose not have the skill any more you will have people like "but I like this skill" And other reason also Cheire Mentioned and let's not forget if they do add it to relic not all people will have as a few people don't enjoy the relic quest.

I really don't see this happening because of the whole "not wanting to make a weapon mandatory" thing. The closest we'll get is armor set's being a thing, or very customizable item glamor such as glows, attack effects, or changing what a spell looks like.

I would rather not, carrying scrubs is already enough effort without them purposely making them selves even weaker to have some flashy low damage skill.

Maybe if it was implemented in a way that doesn't interfere with your overall build it would be alright, everyone will just go for the same thing once it's proven to be best though.

Two ways maybe more as I can see it being added without it being outdated by next gear ilvl.
1. The weapon with skill trait on it can be researched by you or freind crafter and then able to learn it, but it destroys said item and then can attach/overwrite on a more current weapon/gear.
2. Upgradable weapon or gear where you go threw sets of trails similar maybe to relic perhaps were the stats increase as the ilvl increases keeping them relevant.
Just couple of idea of maybe imo.

how about this lets say you grind for like a month to get this fabled weapon and weapon skill. Implementing something like this I think would work, lets say you 100% bond to your new weapon, then after 100% you have the choice to convert your weapon, allowing you to permanently keep the weapon skill. Easier said then done of course :) grinding time consuming high tier quest would be a must of course to keep the skill, but possible for peps who really want to keep the skill.

just blew you guys fkin minds I know lol ;p

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Originally Posted by sorahu

how about this lets say you grind for like a month to get this fabled weapon and weapon skill. Implementing something like this I think would work, lets say you 100% bond to your new weapon, then after 100% you have the choice to convert your weapon, allowing you to permanently keep the weapon skill. Easier said then done of course :) grinding time consuming high tier quest would be a must of course to keep the skill, but possible for peps who really want to keep the skill.

just blew you guys fkin minds I know lol ;p

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If any of the skills were actually any good and not completely cosmetic, it would become an absolute requirement to grind them out because SE would have to take them into account for the raid content.

No thanks. I don't need more grind with my grind.

imagine a pld being in a raid with knights of the round skill dealing 2k damage, lol maybe a pld could finally do some decent dps and catch up to war, and dark knight.

Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm sure it's on SE's list of stuff they want to try.

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Honestly I doubt because modern MMOs are plagued by the lemmings who will instantly cry "BUT I PAY MY SUB I SHOULD GET THE SAME SKILL EVERY ONE ELSE HAS HOW DARE YOU LOCK SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEHIND NON SOLOABLE CONTENT SUCH AS RAIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I doubt they would add this because it would make balancing even harder. Nice idea though.

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Originally Posted by Bman10119

Maybe they will include this with the 3.1 relics? just plan on making it so those relic weapons will stick around for longer and when new classes are added their version of the relic weapon quest is easier up until the current peak. so like if we got a new class when the new relic weapons were at five evolutions and they were getting evolution six and seven the new classes relic would follow the same path with reduced requirements up until it reached five, and then would have the same requirments to reach six and seven.

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I'd like some interchangeable proc on the relic weapons. Although we could eventually choose our stats for our 2.x legendary it felt not as rewarding considering how easy it was, relatively, to get a primal/tomb weapon.

The only way this will ever happen is if this weapon skill does not give the user any kind of advantage over players who do not have the weapon skill. SE has bent over backwards to prevent class exclusivity in endgame content. Heck, they ripped out the whole elemental wheel by the roots to prevent even the slight advantage that a class with an elemental ability might have even the slightest advantage over one without.

I could maybe see them "glamouring" weaponskills; like, if you have this sword, Circle of Scorn takes the appearance of lightning bolts instead of beams of light, with no change to damage type or potency. That kind of thing could be possible.

why it needs always to be hard to get ? , lets give every1 that pass the Training thing that SE is working on , a way to enhance weapon skills

speaking as bard....i want to see cool WS! , tired of subtle attacks or lame animations

You don't have to have skills- you can just have weapon procs.... other games have those and people don't hang on to junk weapons, because of a neat proc.

- Unless you count the Eq cleric click stick... but that was a bag weapon.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

Yes I want it, but have it only change the animation of pre-existing skills. Like a special moogle rod popping out happy moogles whenever you heal someone or something.

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This i would love, raise has a moogle come down and bonk the dead person on the head to revive. However the downside of such things is that there would be so many extra animations to create and implement. If we can't have things like glamours for our chocobos to look like other mounts because they would have to create all these extra animations, i seriously doubt we would get anything cool like that or even specific to weapons.

Dont hold your breath on this one.

Theme park MMO's don't mesh well with type of gearing. As others said, it opens the door far too wide for exclusivity and balancing can become a nightmare (they are adamant about balance when developing this game, to appeal to casual and hardcore players at once).

The closest thing you had was "sanctions" with GC gear. Remember those? Of course not, because they were worthless gear set bonuses and were immediately replaced by better gear 3 levels later.

Game is not setup to accomodate this.

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Originally Posted by sorahu

I honestly think It would be awesome to grind for a badass weapon that gave off a distinct skill or did crazy damage

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I would be down for this if it was more of a cosmetic change, like making the effects of various skills/spells look different. It would add value and incentive to grinding out these kind of weapons even if they will be obsolete at any point(the effects should carry if you glamour a weapon to look like it of course.). I'd love to see a more intense looking fester or maybe add other elementally themed weapons that will change/add effects for various spells/attacks, like making a blm's thunder spells tinted differently and changing the fire spells to have more of an ice effect/feel making any player with this weapon feel like an ice mage of sorts. T'would be interesting indeed :D

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Originally Posted by m3eansean

Dont hold your breath on this one.

Theme park MMO's don't mesh well with type of gearing. As others said, it opens the door far too wide for exclusivity and balancing can become a nightmare (they are adamant about balance when developing this game, to appeal to casual and hardcore players at once).

The closest thing you had was "sanctions" with GC gear. Remember those? Of course not, because they were worthless gear set bonuses and were immediately replaced by better gear 3 levels later.

Game is not setup to accomodate this.

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so how is balancing done in ff11? and that game been around since 2000

Ya, this is something that has been asked about numerous times. I did not play FF11, but from what others have said, it seems very much akin to the way EQ1 had weapon procs. Would be very interesting to see.

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Originally Posted by sorahu

so how is balancing done in ff11? and that game been around since 2000

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How was balancing done in ff11? Poorly. Throughout pretty much every stage of FFXI's life, there were top tier jobs that were preferred for certain kinds of content. If you didn't have one of those jobs leveled, it could be very difficult for you to do that content. You pretty much had to be part of a linkshell that tolerated your unfortunate choice of job. Worse, since nerfs and fixes occurred from time to time that shuffled around the job tiers, even if you did level a top tier job it could lose its place later on and become a low tier job.

As for specialized equipment, FFXI had the Relics. For a long space of time the Relic weapons were hands down the best weapons of their type anyone could get (well, with a few exceptions; the WHM and BLM weapons weren't too useful since they didn't really do much to boost magic). It wasn't much of an exaggeration to say that a player with a Relic weapon were worth two without. So why didn't everyone insist on bringing Relic-owners to do content? Simply because Relic weapons were HORRENDOUSLY difficult to obtain. It simply wasn't feasible to insist that party members all have Relic weapons, because there were only a handful of Relic owners on each server.

Later on, Relics became much easier to obtain, and at that point, all thoughts of balance simply went out the window - particularly in the case of Paladin and Bard. The Paladin and Bard Relics boosted those jobs so ridiculously that any PLD or BRD player who DIDN'T grind out one of these babies might as well not play the job at all. No casual player could play PLD or BRD; the relic grind was easier now, but it was still WAY outside the realm of casual play.

To a lesser degree, the balance issues in FFXI were part of the reason that the crafting system in this game has been so thoroughly castrated. In FFXI, there was plenty of equipment crafted with rare, expensive ingredients that were so useful for the jobs that could use it that players would be turned away if they didn't have them. Things like the Scorpion Harness - DPS gear far superior to anything else that could be worn at it's level. Noble's Tunic, one of the few sources of MP regeneration available to WHMs, and with a 10% Cure Potency stat to boot. The elemental staves, one for each element, each with a huge potency and accuracy bonus for their specific element. Because of items like these, the crafting system in FFXIV will likely never see any utility beyond fluff and glamour, unless SE overlooks how useful the equipment can be (such as the ilvl 110 accessories).