I read an interview recently that stated they're aware that AST needs some balancing, but they don't want to overpower us. For example, if our heals had more potency AND the buffs from the cards, a group with two ASTs would be too powerful.
When AST first came out, and no details were really released, I inferred that the cards weren't going to be buffs but actual healing spells.
In regards to "potency," maybe they should add two cards. A single-target burst-y heal and an aoe heal. That we could Spread if we know we may need it soon. Because getting it would be random (but would definitely happen at least once on a boss), I don't think it would make us too op.. Of course, that means there's diminished chances of getting one of the other cards. But I hate Spire and Spear anyways. Just throw those right out. :P
I just wanted to chime in and meet other Astrologians who enjoy the class. :) I can't wait to see what the future holds for us..
... get it? :D
Just AST banter concerning 3.1
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08-21-2015, 09:48 AMyay4indigoJust AST banter concerning 3.1
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08-22-2015, 12:44 AMDiscordiaErisI would imagine that they will be adjusting potencies, cool downs and skill durations. I doubt that the base skills, spells or cards will be radically changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by yay4indigo
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08-22-2015, 04:56 AMBlueMageQuina
I like this idea. It'll even it out with the WHM who already has 2 high potency oGCD instant heals and SCH who can Lustrate three to six times in a row.
It should be a single card that is effected by Royal Road just like all other cards. The potency would have to be more than Benefic but less than Benefic II because of the 150% RR effect. Given that, it should still be a lower potency heal than WHM's TG to keep a balance due to its buffs. Example:
440 potency
RR 150% effect > 660 potency
RR wide range effect > 220 on all nearby party members
RR 2xDur effect > regens HP with a potency of 110 over 18 secs (770 combined potency)
This also helps to manage some of those MP problems people were having through allowing an additional heal (whenever it comes up) at no MP cost. -
08-22-2015, 07:22 AMAssirraIf they don't change the cards this job is doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscordiaEris
This is supposed to be our "thing" and its super underwhelming, not mention rng based...for a healer. -
08-22-2015, 08:08 AMbasketofsealsOutside of crazy extremes, adjustments to numbers will not fix anything that's wrong with AST. AST needs pretty drastic changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscordiaEris
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08-22-2015, 12:19 PMVladyNot really. Only real issue its the cooldown.overall the job plays well. It doesn't need anything drastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by basketofseals
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08-23-2015, 03:35 PMRichardButteEh, yes and no...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlady
It's a weird situation with the AST: it's a healer, therefore we should be able to heal as well as any other healer when we queue in the DF (including pulling through when the party sucks and takes extra, avoidable damage).
But then the cards either need to be next to useless (which they mostly are) or be a part of that healing kit.
And the biggest problem is that we need one more "OH SHI-" button. -
08-24-2015, 03:00 AMDkDerekIf a healing class can't heal competitively, the class is doomed. Support classes don't work in MMO's...especially when there is only two slots in a raid for healing classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Assirra
First and foremost AST is a healer. The cards are an after thought. If the cards make a noticeable difference, AND they heal competitively, the class will be considered OP, and groups will bring 2 ASTS. -
08-24-2015, 04:02 AMKenji1134
Here's an idea to remedy that.
Remove Royal Road.
Extend the range of card effects to healing aggro range.
Make all cards AoE and last 30s.
Give Shuffle a 30s CD.
Now you have no reason to bring 2 ASTs to a group, as they would simply override eachother's effects. -
08-24-2015, 04:17 PMFoxyArekuThis is the most broken suggestion I've ever seen and would make AST even more required in a serious party than a bard/machinist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenji1134
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08-25-2015, 02:50 AMloreleidiangelo
Should have never made it a hybrid, tbh. Every balance change SE makes has to fit in with the mold of, "is this better/worse than the WHM/SCH equivalent?".
They did the development version of writing themselves into a corner over this one. -
08-25-2015, 02:57 AMAlahraSure they do. They're just not particularly suited to this one (and games of its ilk) because of how it's designed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DkDerek
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08-25-2015, 03:24 AMVeloxThat's because the community keeps screaming "we need more hybrid jobs" without thinking first if that's really what SE should do. Hybrid jobs can function just fine in a particular genre (mostly single-player games), but they can never perform in any particular area as well as a specialized job who has sacrificed everything for the sake of one thing. They are notoriously hard to balance against other classes and will ALWAYS be extremely overpowered or extremely underpowered. There is no gray area with hybrids in MMOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo
Instead, people have the idea in their minds that hybrid jobs should be able to do everything equally well without considering the balance it would destroy.
As I said in previous posts, this is why we will never see jobs like Red Mage in FFXIV, at least not the same Red Mage that appears in previous Final Fantasy games. If we do see it, it won't be the hybrid "okay at everything, master at nothing," but instead be great at one particular thing and lack-luster in everything else. That's just how it's going to be in FFXIV or else no one will bother with it. -
08-25-2015, 03:44 AMRoxas_AndradeHaseo from .Hack GU would totally agree with this. And I'm starting to agree with this too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
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08-25-2015, 04:24 AMAlahraI'd lay money that Red Mage will be a tank when they introduce it in XIV. With defensive cooldowns using their defensive White Magic from FFXI as inspiration, some black magic styled offensive attacks, a few Sword Weaponskills from FFXI not given to Gladiators/Paladins, and a self-healing spell or two and they'd capture much of the flavor of a Red Mage from say, FF1 but have a codified role in the trinity structure this game has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
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08-25-2015, 04:31 AMhallenaThis would be so broken i dont even know what to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Kenji1134
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08-25-2015, 05:05 AMVeloxThat's actually a pretty neat idea. Of course people will cry foul over it being a tank (the way they are doing now with DRK) because they want to play the job without having that level of responsibility, but I would 100% support making a unique tank out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
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08-25-2015, 05:11 AMAlahraI've been a Red Mage junkie since FF1, so it's been a frequent topic of conversation among friends and me, haha. I'm sure a lot of people would be upset about it not being a DPS, but RDM has never really been a DPS in the first place (though they were quite beefy in FF1, that's been the only title where that's really been the case). The other option would be to make it a melee healer, since Cleric Stance would allow some degree of swapping between support and offense, as well, giving it something of a hybrid feel. But overall I think Tank allows it to do all the things Red Mages have always done (hit stuff with swords, cast black magic, cast white magic) while still fitting into the game's class paradigm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velox
As an aside, though, I really don't care what they make it as long as I get the AF!