PLEASE change level requirement to whisper ....

This would stop gil spamers from whispering me EVERY damn min of my game life please fix this

No it wouldn't. Or did you miss the armies of lv 50 blm bots?

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

No it wouldn't. Or did you miss the armies of lv 50 blm bots?

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To be fair those are their "farmers" they won't risk sending tells with those because they actually take time for them to replace, Unlike level 1 bots that are just erased/banned and replaced quickly after. it would certainly hurt them and i fully agree with this.

I mean let's be real here, What level 1 player would just randomly send tells to the entire server. constantly. This is already an obvious sign. Of course they will just level to the level needed, then spam but it would slow them down a bit since they have to actually level bots for it.

Sounds like a great idea to me and what new player uses tells anyways?

Not sure if this will help, when Aion went f2p they made you unable to communicate thru whispers until you were lvl 20 and even then there were still plenty of spammers to go around.

In the end the companies that do this runs it as a bussiness, to them this will just mean a little more work but work that they will do to continue making profit.

I'd really just like to have a setting where I only get tells from people on my friends list, linkshells, free company or players i'm currently in a party or alliance with.

That's if I can't have a right click > report RMT that reports their account to SE, removes all tells from them from my chat log, and blacklists their entire acct for at least a week.

then make it that you can only whisper friends.

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Originally Posted by Drakeos

This would stop gil spamers from whispering me EVERY damn min of my game life please fix this

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I support this idea.
I also support a right click report option in the chat window similar to other MMO games. If a player gets over a certain number of reports then they should be banned or not allowed to whisper.

This is horrible and a bad idea. Why not just make it so the character has to be 40 hours of age to send tells?

Level requirements are worthless and just hurt players. They can just teleport around and now they are killing mobs meant for real players. Putting a time limit however hurts nobody.

Or they could just allow us to opt out of the Player Search function which is how they find us to /tell us ... Without names, they can't /tell.

In my short time of playing Tera Online, I learned quickly that the company behind the game put limitations on their chat functions. I couldn't join certain channels until I reached a certain level. While it may help combat low-level spammers, it causes collateral damage. I was extremely miffed that I couldn't join in the fun conversations of the General Chat in that game until I was level 20 or 25. It was one of the things that drove me away totally, second to the shoddy PvP system and the boring-assed PvE system. The combat mechanics are fun only for so long, then it gets boring.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Not sure if this will help, when Aion went f2p they made you unable to communicate thru whispers until you were lvl 20 and even then there were still plenty of spammers to go around.

In the end the companies that do this runs it as a bussiness, to them this will just mean a little more work but work that they will do to continue making profit.

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Your name is redundant. Devils *are* lawyers. You can always trust a devil to fulfill a contract, but you'd best have read it precisely and thoroughly.

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Originally Posted by azlewood

then make it that you can only whisper friends.

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It's bad enough I can only send mail to people on my friends list.

FC officers with full friends lists means I can't send them mail because they don't have room on their friends list. FC leader lives in a different time zone, and sometimes isn't on when I am. Can't mail him, there's not enough room on his friends list for the entire FC and stuff.

With the limited numbers on the list, this has to be the stupidest idea I've seen.

I actually have a little support for this idea, but only a little. Firstly, new characters should need to hit level 10 to access whispers across the board, but allow new players below that level to send tells to their friends only. Honestly, at low levels you rarely use tells anyway, since it's a largely solo affair.

It won't affect anyone who's been playing the game long enough to unlock job changes, but it will at least stop gil-spammers from deleting characters and remaking them to avoid detection.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Not sure if this will help, when Aion went f2p they made you unable to communicate thru whispers until you were lvl 20 and even then there were still plenty of spammers to go around.

In the end the companies that do this runs it as a bussiness, to them this will just mean a little more work but work that they will do to continue making profit.

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The difference here is that FF14 is not F2P. When you have to buy the game and get a level 20 character banned for RMT it hurts. Now you have to buy a new game copy and make a new account. Its not just as simple and making a new free account.

I fully support making it at least level 20 before whispers are unlocked. Heck, you could even make a quick quest for it like everything else has. You'd have to whisper an NPC something you can't afford to have anyone else overhear you say.

Haven't received a single rmt tell since hw launch on Phoenix :3 this is still happening?

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Originally Posted by Stupiduglytaru

Haven't received a single rmt tell since hw launch on Phoenix :3 this is still happening?

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On exodus its 2 to 5 times per day for me.

I have not noticed any on Balmung since HW, but that might be because it is almost impossible to create a new character here.

I made mention of this sometime ago but I do agree, we need a level limitation on tells OR we need a command like /blocktell(x) x being the required HIGHEST level needed to whisper you unless your a friend. So /blocktell10, anyone not level 10 at least is unable to send a tell. As mentioned those level 50 blackmages are the ones doing the leg work on bringing in the gil, they won't risk having them send tells. When is the last time you got a friend invite or tell for gil from a level 50? Its always the level 1 in Ul'dah.

On Coeurl its basically 1-3 per hour.

Me and few people went to try FIND this person in Ul'dah yesterday and couldnt find him @ (hell using hacks to hide) which should be instant banhammer !!! NEED more active GM patrols in 3 major cities (able to catch those gil making bots)

We need GMs that have the power to lock an account (followed by a review of the account) whenever RMT activity is reported and the chat logs show reasonable evidence. That's all it would take.

Currently, they log and monitor RMT spam and send it off to the anti-RMT task force, which flags accounts and bans them roughly once a month. That gives the spammers a long time to operate per paid account. It's $15 (sale price for Realm Reborn) to have unlimited ability to spam your RMT website to players for a month.

If ordinary GMs had the ability to automatically lock accounts that were clearly sending hundreds of spam messages (but not actually terminate the account until it had been reviewed), then RMT websites would see their advertising costs skyrocket as they are forced to buy and acquire more accounts. This would lead to less overt spam, because every spam message would run the risk of account lock and termination.

SE needs to stop snooping on the RMT and just lock them out.

They should make a quest to get your linkpearl, just as you meet Minfilia, and before getting it you can't whisper nor receive whispers.

You cant whisper until you have a full fleged account, the trial stage of the first free month you are unable to send tells. I think that is sufficient.

Or just limit the number of unique people that you can whisper per day that is not on your friends list. Maybe increase with /played time and character level.

Then won't RMT just go back to spamming friend requests?

theres still RMT bots o...o i haven't seen a single one since heavenward started

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

This is horrible and a bad idea. Why not just make it so the character has to be 40 hours of age to send tells?

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My friend and I were discussing the same thing - they usually don't unse the same character a lot - they jump around which is how they stay 'hidden'. They should make it that as long as you have that sprout beside your head you can't message unless you are messaged first. This would still allow friends to talk to their friends by messaging them first but RMTs couldn't message randoms.

Plus bigger blacklist - yes please. XD

You can't /whisper at any level.

As much as I hate receiving RMT spam, I have to disagree with ideas of adding even more limits to accounts because I believe it would just hurt genuine new players.

It's already harsh enough than when someone is in a trial they are already very isolated (they can't really message anyone, can't join a FC, can't shout and they can't even create their own party (someone has to invite them), but right now if someone puts down money for the game then those restrictions are lifted and punishing new players (who need help the most) just to try and combat RMT spam seems very unfair and will only give them a negative impact of the game.

Someone in this thread (sorry can't remember who) said about not being able to send messages until level 10, but I'm afraid that's nothing more than a 15 minute deterrent for RMT (I've ran in parties with my own FC where we've power levelled other FC members up to level 10 across all combat jobs and that takes no more than an hour to do every job they have!). But for a real, first time player, it'll probably take them hours to get to level 10, if not more. They won't know where they're going/fastest way to level up, they're also running around doing all the quests (probably). It basically just punishes the real player and is just a tiny inconvenience for the RMT.

Someone else (sorry also can't remember who!) said about having to have 40 hours (which would be end of new adventurer flag) before you can whisper, but I think that's also just going to cause more problems for real players. RMT could literally log on and just wait/idle 2 days (do things with other characters in the meantime?). For them it's no bother, for real players...?

It'd be nice if SE could be more proactive in dealing with RMT and not batch them up each week, but actually investigate the reports as they come in (not saying act on every report instantly, but if the same person is reported 10+ times then they should be moved up the queue of people to look at). It'd also be nice if there were an easier way to actually report someone as right now it seems like a lot of hoops to jump through and most people probably just blacklist and (try to) move on.

The most simple fix to this WHOLE issue is changing the blacklist to a whitelist. Then letting us not only whitelist individuals by name but also organizational whitelisting. For example, whitelist my whole FC, WL my whole grand company, WL all Gridania citizens... so on and so forth. I know some of these group WL choices I posted make no sense what so ever, but its just to make the point. We should at lease be able to WL whole FC's by name, oh and WL whole LS's also....

WHITELIST SE WHITELIST! :-D

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Or they could just allow us to opt out of the Player Search function which is how they find us to /tell us ... Without names, they can't /tell.

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FFXI did this by allowing you to set your status to /Invisible. No one could find you and no one could whisper you. It would say something like 'player is not available' if you tried. This is one feature they should port over from there. /busy doesn't hide you, it just blocks tells.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

To be fair those are their "farmers" they won't risk sending tells with those because they actually take time for them to replace, Unlike level 1 bots that are just erased/banned and replaced quickly after. it would certainly hurt them and i fully agree with this.

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They wouldn't send advertising spam with their farming bots because those bots are accumulating the gil for them to sell. They don't want that gil lost when their spam bots are banned, so the two types are handled through separate accounts. I don't think Nadirah was suggesting they'd actually use the same bots, just that having farming bots proves they're quite capable of automating bots that will level up.

Currently RMT spam-bots are left at level 1 only because they have no particular reason for making them higher level, but if they did have a reason (like for instance the OP's suggestion being implemented) then the RMT companies would simply level all their spam-bots up to whatever level they need them to be. We'd still have just as much spam coming from just as many bots, the only difference being that those bots would be level 10 or 15 or whatever instead of level 1.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Then won't RMT just go back to spamming friend requests?

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Friend requests aren't as effective as actual messages, since the only actual content passed with it is their character's name. They used that when it was possible to do so with free trial accounts, but it stopped when the Free Trial restrictions were updated to block friend requests. Now the only place Free Trial accounts can spam is the /say channel. Everything else needs a paid account, which they focus on their most effective spam method: /tell.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

theres still RMT bots o...o i haven't seen a single one since heavenward started

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I get very few of them myself on Excalibur, and you're on Balmung.

Servers that aren't locked to character creation constantly do get them. A lot.

made an alt on Diabolos a while back. 4 tells within 10s of getting out of the intro.

Someone mentioned part of this earlier but I think any account that sends tells or friend requests to X (this number would never be publically revealed and could be changed by a small amount randomly to counter those trying to get right under that number) number of players in a certain period of time should automatically have their account flagged. I mean, really, who has a legitimate reason for mass friend requesting or sending tells to like 20 different players?

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Originally Posted by maelor

The most simple fix to this WHOLE issue is changing the blacklist to a whitelist. Then letting us not only whitelist individuals by name but also organizational whitelisting. For example, whitelist my whole FC, WL my whole grand company, WL all Gridania citizens... so on and so forth. I know some of these group WL choices I posted make no sense what so ever, but its just to make the point. We should at lease be able to WL whole FC's by name, oh and WL whole LS's also....

WHITELIST SE WHITELIST! :-D

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Nice idea :D

i hear them constantly, that constant spam, that sound effect of receiving a tell
even when lie in bed
please let me sleep
i am only a man

I have never even used whisper, they could honestly just remove it unless it serves some purpose?

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Originally Posted by Wobble

I have never even used whisper, they could honestly just remove it unless it serves some purpose?

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You must not like private conversations with people.

They need to allow addons in this game, specifically my favorite addon from WoW. Specifically my favorite addon which (among other things) allowed you to block things like whispers and friend invites from anyone below a certain level, something like that is desperately needed for this game.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

You must not like private conversations with people.

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I use /tell