Five Races

I was in More Spamma today, and the FATE "The Prodigal Son" popped on top of me. The guy you have to escort said, "The gigas in this area have no love for the five races." It took me a moment to remember that the five races he's refering to are Roegadyn, Elezen, Hyur, Miqo'te, and Lalafell.

So does the ongoing reference to five races mean that the majority of Eorzeans have not yet accepted Au Ra as a human race?

For that matter, at what rate did the five races accept each other as human, and not beast tribes? I imagine Miqo'te in particular would have had some difficulty with that acceptance!

I think I remember a blurm about how Eorzeans are debating whether or not Miqo'tes are related to cats, while Miqo'te scholars are say no.

With the exception of one (but then again she's a "princess") all the Au Ra, especially Xaela, we come across all say they were discriminate against. Some even were killed.

Since the Au Ra seem to be very isolationist and stay in Othard I'd say that Eorzeans ... and Garleans are coming to terms with this new race. I remember Higiri saying that Yugiri's people have had it alot worse under Garlean rule. And Yugiri's people (Raen at least) all seem to have pretty high ranks within Doma pre-occupation, so that should say alot about what Garleans think of them

For the most part, Eorzeans consider the Au Ra one of the spoken race ... but such things take time. Especially since all they know about were the 5 Great Spoken Races.

It's just a piece of 2.0 flavor text that hasn't been updated for 3.0, that's all. Stop trying to read too much into it.

The Au Ra are still a rare species in Eorzea (there's like, what, 4 named Au Ra in the entire game?), but are considered one of the Spoken races. That said, they did / do face prejudice (go talk to Sidurgu, and I hear the WHM antagonist was a persecuted Xaela as well).

The rest, well, who knows. Presumably the Five Spoken races of Eorzea have accepted each other since the beginning of the Sixth Astral Era, but without records we have no way to prove anything.

Also remember, that fate in Mor Dohna predates 3.0 and the Au Ra. Trust me, discrepancies like that will most likely avoid retconning because it's a small, pre-expansion, over sight.

And you could rationalize it this way. It says the Gigas have contempt for the FIVE Races. Maybe they've seen how the Au Ra are unjustly discriminated against for no good reason and empathise with them.

I think he is probably more realistically refering to Eorzea's native races. While Au Ra have come to Eorzea, their actual number compared to the other races would be quite small and for the most part they would still be seen as foreigners even if they have settled. When most Eorzeans think of the races of Eorzea they would probably still not think of Au Ra as among them.

That isn't necessarily racism. Its just the Au Ra haven't had enough presence and impact on Eorzea to 'stamp there mark'. Further their cultural differences wouldn't have had much of an impact yet. We do know that the Ishgardians did discriminate against them though we haven't seen any such examples yet from the other nations.

Honestly it seems less likely. Gridania does discriminate against Duskwights but there is a history there and they will discriminate against people not accepted by the Elementals. Ul'dah generally doesn't care if you have coin. They might discriminate against beastmen but if you had a highly wealthy and business savvy beastman they would probably find a lot of Ul'dah quite willing to accept them since money talks a lot in Ul'dah. Ul'dah's discrimination tends to be wealth based. As for Limsa, they are a very diverse nation already and we see beastmen walking around its cities.

Don't forget Garleans are potentially another race as well; they may look Hyuran, but they have a different, more Elezen-like build, the third eye and a complete lack of aetheric manipulation.

There's likely other races as well, but the Five are those most common in Eorzea

I think the au ra aren't all that accepted in eorzean lore outside of a few tidbits that don't do much to describe them. That beast tribe confusion actually did occur in several places. The ishgardians initially saw the au ra as another breed of dravanian. Given the right look, they can also look like voidsent such as succubi.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Given the right look, they can also look like voidsent such as succubi.

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... so many tentacles?

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Also remember, that fate in Mor Dohna predates 3.0 and the Au Ra. Trust me, discrepancies like that will most likely avoid retconning because it's a small, pre-expansion, over sight.

And you could rationalize it this way. It says the Gigas have contempt for the FIVE Races. Maybe they've seen how the Au Ra are unjustly discriminated against for no good reason and empathise with them.

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With that said, the thing I really don't understand is the manner of Yugiri's introduction. By the time she was in development they likely already had plans that another playable race was in the pipeline.

She is a part of the main storyline. Future players will be passing through it from now until the end of the MMOs lifespan. Yugiri claims that she was wearing her hood because it would be difficult for someone of her race to keep a low profile. Though this will only seem fitting to people who played this part pre-HW, while the rest will be seeing a lot of Au Ra very far in advance. Even though I know that external events can be considered non-linear to the story (such as job-quests assuming your pre-WoL recognition, or the DRG quests if left for way later), that is a VERY long time to pretend that you knew very little about the Au Ra.

They couldn't have not known that it would a popular race. On top of being "the new one", the males are like the Elezens edgy cousins, while the females are splitting with the kawaii aspect of fem miq'ote. Beast-girl or monster-girl. It's practically deciding between Coke and Pepsi.

Gaelcatnip talks about 5 races as well and its a 3.0 thing. Clearly Lalafell aren't people.

as for why they introed Yugiri like that, well they clearly didn't have the model finished and wanted to build some hype. its not perfect but I vastly prefered it to say the WoW method

According to the vast majority of modern people located on Aldenard, the Lalafell, Roegadyn, Hyur, Elezen and Miqo'te races are considered native to this continent.

They are the five races.

Again, according to modern people, Au Ra, Garleans and any other furture-implemented races are neither of this land, nor hold a sizable population here (no, the millions of player characters don't count) and therefore are not accounted for among its people.

So, when someone refers to the people of present Eorzea, "the five" is a natural synonym.