Please EXPEDITE an Aetherochemical Research Facility HARD MODE

Honestly... just drop the same gear that's in Fractal & Neverreap, up the stats, & remove the cutscenes. Boom done.

Having only two dungeons at 60 as the best way to cap your Eso's for the week (or only dungeons to do at 60, period) is painful...

Especially when you get Neverreap 7 days in a row... dat RNG.

Also, from this interview: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/126...-Gamescom-2015

"...we've always added three instanced dungeons in each patch before, but it will be two starting with the next patch..."

This'll make it even worse. Unless you really, truly deliver on alternative contents for comparable reward so we don't always only have 2 dungeons for Daily Expert.

Maybe throw in ARF Hard as a consolation 3rd dungeon in the next patch then since we're nearing 3.1 at this point anyway.

We still desperately need Savage 4 & 24 Man's also. Midcore is hurting so bad in this game.

Personally, I'd just be happy with them adding the normal research facility as part of the roulette. They're both level 60 dungeons, and it'd help out players who need it for story completion. Why they didn't consider it is a mystery for the ages.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Personally, I'd just be happy with them adding the normal research facility as part of the roulette. They're both level 60 dungeons, and it'd help out players who need it for story completion. Why they didn't consider it is a mystery for the ages.

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The reason they didn't is b/c of historical harassment in cutscene-centric, instanced environments (Castrum/Prae).

Pretty sure they wanted unadulterated story completion in ARF normal, which I agree with.

Smart move on their part & the reason it's separated.

Lesser of two evils, ultimately.

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Originally Posted by PlumpyMcduff

The reason they didn't is b/c of historical harassment in cutscene-centric, instanced environments (Castrum/Prae).

Pretty sure they wanted unadulterated story completion in ARF normal, which I agree with.

Smart move on their part & the reason it's separated.

Lesser of two evils, ultimately.

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They could always have had two separate instances, the expert roulette one being one without cutscenes, and only unlockable after beating the first one. The Research Facility is the best of the 3 level 60 dungeons, shame we run it once and likely never again.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

They could always have had two separate instances, the expert roulette one being one without cutscenes, and only unlockable after beating the first one. The Research Facility is the best of the 3 level 60 dungeons, shame we run it once and likely never again.

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That's exactly what I was saying in the very first line of the OP...

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Originally Posted by Colorful

They could always have had two separate instances, the expert roulette one being one without cutscenes, and only unlockable after beating the first one. The Research Facility is the best of the 3 level 60 dungeons, shame we run it once and likely never again.

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That doesn't alleviate the queue problem in the original Research Facility, though. Since players don't have much reason to go back there, it's not uncommon for DPS to wait in the queue for over an hour at times. I queue there if I need quick law because you're guaranteed 100 + bonus, it's a fun dungeon, and I get to help someone out.

Get used to running 2 dungeons per patch since that's what they plan on doing starting 3.1

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Originally Posted by myahele

Get used to running 2 dungeons per patch since that's what they plan on doing starting 3.1

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More then likely they won't be moving past dungeons down into High roulette when a new major patch comes out, won't help us that keep getting Nevereap anyway though.

I'm pretty sure the 2 dungeons per patch means we aren't getting any hardmodes.

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Originally Posted by PlumpyMcduff

That's exactly what I was saying in the very first line of the OP...

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I was suggesting they didn't have to do any re-tuning or add gear, if that took much development time. Just throw them in and call it a day, dungeon gear outlives its usefulness within a few days/week of farming law tomes.

That we only have two dungeons to run constantly is pretty much the reason why I'm still on i166. I just don't feel like doing all that anymore, it's not fun, it's not enjoyable. I get that FFXIV is more of a story mmo, but if they have gear progression to keep you busy till the new stories release, than atleast give us more, give us a reason other than: "hurr durrr my ilvl is higher than yours". The only thing it does is bring more elitism in the game, and there's enough already. People expecting everyone to know a run perfectly if they run it for the first time. Thinking that just a video or reading up would be enough to get the mechanics, and don't want to accept that there are people that like the surprise.

I like the lore of the game, but not the direction it's heading with gameplay.

you guys tought of this : maybe neverfractal and alwaysreap will still be part of duty EXPERT with 3.1 only that to unlock expert you will need to finish all FOUR dungeons then since they are all lvl 60 you cannot add em to low level roulette or high level roulette at all. my guess is that all new expert dungeons will be part of expert from now till 4.0.

thats what i am guessing here. that these 2 new dungeons will be ADDED to current expert and not REPLACE em like before. we dont have a high level roulette for lvl 60 dungeons anymore currently. sure they could add one thats another possibilty but since se was lazy with endgame design the other choice is more likely.

Yes to all of it!

Especially since we're only getting 2 dungeons per patch now... so sad.

So long as they ship 2 difficulty options per dungeon on release, that'll be OK.

Game seriously needs EX Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Windklinge

...maybe neverfractal and alwaysreap will still be part of duty EXPERT with 3.1... my guess is that all new expert dungeons will be part of expert from now till 4.0.

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This would make it even worse. I'd rather have only the two new dungeons to random-roll than have a chance to keep running Neverreap.

I've run so much Fractal & Neverreap, I would despise having a 50% chance to keep running them daily.

It's funny how quickly people forget.

2.0 "Endgame dungeons"

Wanderer's palace
Amdapor's Keep

Wasn't until 2.1 that we got

Pharos Sirius
Copperbell Mines HM
Haukke Manor HM

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Keep in mind how many dungeons were released in 3.0
8

How many dungeons were released in 2.0
14-3 if you count the 3 1.0 dungeons as "reskins"

But overall I think that's what many forget, that endgame in 2.0 was 2 dungeons, then 3 dungeons added after however Duty Roulette wasn't even added til 2.1, so you think gaining tomes is hard in 3.0 where you just have to do expert 6/7 times of the week to cap, then imagine having your only way of gaining tomes was just through dungeons spam. But what's more, Expert roulette wasn't even implemented til 2.2 so the boost in weekly tomes didn't exist for 2 patches, wherein 3.0 we got it right off the bat.

Sounds more like people just want things easier and easier even when they've made it way easier then before.