Why your Party Finder SUCKS (aka why no one joins your pf)

Since HW released it seems people have forgotten how to have accurate, enticing, and relevant information in their PF as I see these people get 0 people joining over the course of an hour. Here's a very simple guide to improve your PFs

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Why does your PF exist?
Is it to farm, to clear, or to troll? Make it clear to everyone by writing clear, farm, or troll in the description so people know what they are getting in on.

Why are you the only on in there?
Why not ask your FC or LS before setting up the PF? Studies have shown people are 8x more likely to join a PF if there is at least 2 people already in there (citation needed).

Feel free to sound encouraging.
Saying 'bonus welcome' instead of 'no noobs' will get people joining if it's a clear, and saying 'quick runs' instead of 'you fail, I kick' will get people joining if it's a farm. Basically, don't sound like a dick.


tl:dr put some effort into your PF descriptions lest you rage that no one is joining you to help you clear/farm content.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

Feel free to sound encouraging.
Saying 'bonus welcome' instead of 'no noobs' will get people joining if it's a clear, and saying 'quick runs' instead of 'you fail, I kick' will get people joining if it's a farm. Basically, don't sound like a dick.

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Seriously, this.

Even when I'm looking for a farm party, I avoid the ones that say "no noobz!" or "2 mistakes and I burn your family!" Not because I'm going to make mistakes or am a noob, but because that attitude is really unpleasant to be around.

Yeah, if the person forming the PF sounds rude in their description I'll never join no matter how good I am with the content.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

Studies have shown people are 8x more likely to join a PF if there is at least 2 people already in there (citation needed).

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72% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

Why are you the only on in there?
Why not ask your FC or LS before setting up the PF? Studies have shown people are 8x more likely to join a PF if there is at least 2 people already in there (citation needed).

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Spotted an A2 farm in PF the other day, polite and well written description, sat there for nearly 50 minutes though with just a DPS and Healer in it.

I joined in as Warrior, about a minute later the group filled and we started.

So there is a kernel of truth there lol

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

72% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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Ha. I see what you did there.

You forgot about that ridiculous item level requirement. It's even more ridiculous if it's an undersized/unsynced Titan EX.

You forgot lootmaster.

If I'm setting up a PF for something, it's not to be nice. You're not joining because I'm nice. You're joining to get something done. If that means I have to specifically post a message saying I will kick you if you bring a bonus to my farm party, then that's exactly what I'm putting in there. Case in point, my Rav Ex farm last night. Straight to the point. "Rav EX Farm. Clear required. Bring bonus, get kicked." And what happened? I got 7 mostly competent people in my party, who had no bonus attached, and we did 12 runs before some members had to get to work. Compare this to other parties which try to be nice about it, and create a farm party that requires "experience". 9 times out of 10, a player with a bonus appears, nobody kicks them, it's a wipefest, and the group disbands before a single clear. Being nice is great and all, for a happy, peppy clear or learning group. But if you're nice when you're actually trying to get something done? You're never going to do it with the type of player that will show up.

Honesty seems useful, truth in advertising, etc. Makes it easy to identify what groups to avoid or pursue depending on needs or wants.

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Originally Posted by Isala

If I'm setting up a PF for something, it's not to be nice. You're not joining because I'm nice. You're joining to get something done.

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No one asked you to sound nice.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

No one asked you to sound nice.

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Yeah. There's a world of difference between not sounding nice and sounding like a huge ass.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

No one asked you to sound nice.

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Right. The word you used was "encouraging". You also said use terms like "Quick runs", instead of "will kick". I was just stating that I've had a lot more luck with "will kick", because it tends to keep the kind of people that would be kicked out.

From the example you posted, it looks like the person needs to have it cleared but from his description it looks like he only wants people who has cleared it before (and he is super rude about it). In other words it sounds like he hasn't beaten the fight yet and need 7 people who has to help carry him. I hate those the most, will probably never join a group like this. If you are making a clear party you better accept other newbies too.

You already know that group is gonna suck just by seeing the ilv req, and the fact that it's a tank and he cant handle Titan+the ads. Maybe it's just from my experience, but the worst groups I've been in are often the ones requiring an insanely high ilv compared to what the fight requires.

Not entirely true (the tank part you mentioned) I did an unsyched pt with friends some for the old primals ex and we cleared without a pronl , but when I tried to do it with PF help (because my friends were not on in that moment) was a wipe after a wipe and they got a decent (ilvl170) gear.

In regard to the other person doing ravana ex farm. Just because you get all ppl with a cleared ravana it doesn't mean it will a success. I did a couple of farm pts with 3 players needing to clear it and kept them doing another 7 runs to continue with the farms. I didn't say bonus welcome or anything like that. They pmed me and asked me if they could joined. I let them, but I was very strict and told them if u make more than 2 dumb/huge mistakes they were out. I said two cuz sometimes the first time doing a mistake could be cuz they get nervous/stress out in the fight. Now I did other ravana farm pts with all ppl "with experience" and we wiped 2 times. I disbanned the pt.

I always like to join on those that say "2 strikes and kick" just to see the person that make the PF do the 2 strikes and kick him.

Haha if the of maker do the miatakes, then it shows that they wanted to be carried. It sucks when that happens. I was in one and I blacklisted as soon as I noticed that could not survived a single blow. Why be MT when u are a warrior and is wearing str acc /facepalm. It would be better for me since I am PlD and I can endure a bit more cuz of my CDs. But it is fun to see it happens. I even let some warriors and drk that are full str acc tank in A3 since they wanted so badly to be MT. We wiped more than 2 times. I didn't leave cuz it was fun to see how they were blaming the rest of the pt cuz they couldn't survive.

I am 8xs less likely to join when the players are uptight and have high demands for performance. Yeah you want the clear and so does everyone else, but being negative right off the bat with high demands will turn people away.

If only this is true, based on my observation, players aim a clear on training party, a farm on down party, dramas on farm party, and nut jobs on unspecified party finder..

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Originally Posted by Isala

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Hm, I see what you're saying, but there's always another side to things. Most parties I've joined with comments like "Know the fight!" ended up being run by very rude people. I'm not saying that you're one of them by any means, but that there's a stigma on PFs like that due to a handful of bad eggs.

For instance, I once joined a T5 clear party while I was in T9, just to help some randoms. The off-tank stood too far beneath Twintania, so when I took fireball to him, her body slam did extra damage and killed me on the spot. The blame immediately shifted to me and I was accused of "not knowing where my OT was", even though I'd taken fireball to him and it had gone off accordingly. I even asked nicely for him to just back up a little bit. I was healing so, needless to say, we wiped.

Ever since then, I've avoided parties using those phrases unless I really just wanted to run something again for fun and had nothing else to do. I know a lot of people that feel the same way. People just expect you to have a certain attitude when they see those words, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

Why does your PF exist?
Is it to farm, to clear, or to troll? Make it clear to everyone by writing clear, farm, or troll in the description so people know what they are getting in on.

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You forgot about learning parties....or are you saying that all learning parties are troll parties and learning parties don't exist?

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Why are you the only on in there?
Why not ask your FC or LS before setting up the PF? Studies have shown people are 8x more likely to join a PF if there is at least 2 people already in there (citation needed).

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I lead an FC that isn't currently active enough that I can guarantee even one other person on who wants to run with me (that is my own fault and needs to change). I have a farming linkshell and a hunt linkshell, but I don't ask either of them for help clearing content, if that's what I'm doing (I will ask people in my farm LS if they're interested in farming runs if that's what I'm up to, tho).

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Feel free to sound encouraging.
Saying 'bonus welcome' instead of 'no noobs' will get people joining if it's a clear, and saying 'quick runs' instead of 'you fail, I kick' will get people joining if it's a farm. Basically, don't sound like a dick.

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My most recent PF:

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{Limitless Blue (Extreme)} Bis EX learn/clear. Know your class and be able to pass checks.

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I sometimes put "have patience" in there as well. My minimum ilvl for the fight is usually 175, but I had it at 180 last time. Is there anything wrong with that other than the high ilvl requirement (which I use because people think there's only one way to kill that whale and won't try methods that actually work with lower dps)?

--Erim Nelhah

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Originally Posted by Isala

we did 12 runs before some members had to get to work. Compare this to other parties which try to be nice about it, and create a farm party that requires "experience". 9 times out of 10, a player with a bonus appears, nobody kicks them, it's a wipefest

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I'm pretty sure twelve failures before calling it quits qualifies as a "wipefest".

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Seriously, this.

Even when I'm looking for a farm party, I avoid the ones that say "no noobz!" or "2 mistakes and I burn your family!" Not because I'm going to make mistakes or am a noob, but because that attitude is really unpleasant to be around.

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I would probably join that one just to see how it plays out tbh

I remember joining a party finder group in WoW once that had this description:

LFM Heroic High Maul: Noobz welcome. Do not know encounters. Be undergeared. Bads only, good dps will be kicked.

I joined because I found this amusing. The kicker? The group one shotted all the bosses and had a good time doing it.

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Originally Posted by Ayuhra

I remember joining a party finder group in WoW once that had this description:

LFM Heroic High Maul: Noobz welcome. Do not know encounters. Be undergeared. Bads only, good dps will be kicked.

I joined because I found this amusing. The kicker? The group one shotted all the bosses and had a good time doing it.

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An example of reverse psychology working.

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Originally Posted by Intaki

I'm pretty sure twelve failures before calling it quits qualifies as a "wipefest".

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Not 12 fails. 12 clears. As in, we killed Ravana 12 times before people had to leave.

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Originally Posted by gtfoinstance

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Originally Posted by Isala

More PF tips

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The 2 of you have good points.

Avoid groups that have bad spelling. If they can't spell usually it turns out bad. Just saying. (Also note how BADLY they spell is usually how bad it goes too, its a weird correlation I've found.)

I think both types of wording have their place. It's great to be friendly and welcoming to get people to join your group. At the same time, nothing kills your spirit faster than when you're trying to farm/accomplish something and someone joins who ruins an otherwise perfect group and causes it to disband.