I was just in Hullbreaker Isle and the SMN was new which is fine. They had a few other classes but SMN was their highest and they didn't have SCH at all so they aren't primarily a healer etc. What kept happening was the tank would go from 100%, take a tiny bit of damage down to like 90%, and they would be casting Physik on him. As soon as they would take a tiny bit of damage they were doing Physik as well. When we were on the first boss literally it was Physik, Physik, Physik, over and over, like maybe one Bio II and then non stop Physik. I kept telling them to just DPS because everyone was dropping HP like crazy since there was only really one person DPSing but they refused. At one pull before the first boss I had to just let them die because they absolutely would not stop casting Physik so finally I just stopped healing them myself and let them wipe and we finished it without them. On the first boss though we kept wiping because of them, like everyone would be at 100% HP, someone takes the tiniest bit of damage (the kind where it's not even worth healing the person since Medica II would have them at 100% in about 5 seconds type thing) and sure enough you'd see their action bar "Physik, Physik, Physik". As soon as we finished the boss I voted dismiss and the others agreed, but we were at like 25 minutes already and still at the first boss when normally the whole instance should have been done by then. Hate to do that but what else do you do in those situations? It's one thing when someone is new but this is a level 50 dungeon and to not know what your job is is a bit shocking to me especially since you've had to do much harder stuff to get to that point, so not like this is Sastasha normal mode or something where those things are understandable. I'm not one of those players at all, as I'm not some pro so usually second guess myself. But I do know that a DPS that is casting 98% Physik and the rest Bio II and Miasma is not doing their job properly and making it take 10x longer for us. The only way we finished the first boss was letting them die and ME DPSing a ton!
What do you do when a DPS doesn't DPS and only heals?
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08-03-2015, 08:31 AM416to305What do you do when a DPS doesn't DPS and only heals?
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08-03-2015, 08:33 AMVitalSuit
The answer is simple and you already did both, explain to them that they're playing their class wrong. If they won't listen then they get the boot.
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08-03-2015, 08:35 AMGhishlain^ Pretty much this. Unfortunately, that's all you can really do when faced with a situation like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by VitalSuit
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08-03-2015, 08:40 AM416to305
That's what I figured, I was worried they wouldn't agree and then would hate me since it was obviously me voting them out lol. Luckily that's rare and only happened a few times. I don't get it though, not sure if they think they are helping or what but I always take it personally like they think I can't heal or something. Since I could do a Cure II and heal them for probably more than they could do casting Physik 3 times. Especially when they are healing the tank or others, just makes me shake my head.
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08-03-2015, 08:43 AMPetiteMalFleur
That's so strange. Lol. You were incredibly patient. I'd just dismiss them as well.
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08-03-2015, 09:15 AMSovereignAegis
Suggest to them strongly that they go Scholar.
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08-03-2015, 11:37 AMAnubis_Nephthys
It's simple.
Berate them and kick them.
Maybe report if you really want to. -
08-03-2015, 08:32 PMAkyio
I was laughing when reading this, probably bunch of trolls having fun
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08-03-2015, 08:43 PMCynfael
I warn them once that stopping to cast their weak heal will probably get them killed, and that they should focus on dropping enemies and performing mechanics while I cover them.
If they ignore this advice, they will eventually die from standing in a lethal AoE while trying to cast Physick. I might rez them when SC is up, but I won't be in a hurry. -
08-04-2015, 01:28 AM416to305
Yeah makes sense. It's hard because I'm on PS4 as well so to type I have to put the controller down so makes it hard sometimes to quickly tell people things as if I'm typing and press X for example on the controller it will send the message if I'm not out of the chat box. I don't think it was a troll though that was the sad part, like at the start they were talking about being new etc. My surprise was more than someone in a level 50 dungeon doesn't know they don't heal themselves!
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08-04-2015, 01:50 AMgiantslayer
Only time I start healing as a SMN is when I am in a 4-man and the healer is dead (and I've already cast Res) or getting back on his feet after a res, or I feel that me casting a few Physicks will make the difference between a tank or healer living or dying.
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08-04-2015, 02:11 AMYumi_umi
I as the healer would stay in CS mode and be like
"y u so bad at healing."
Then they say either
" ofc my heals suck im a dps"
( point proven ) or
*no comment do not understand english
( might require a boot or a spam of auto translate then a boot if they still no understand ) -
08-04-2015, 02:14 AMAnubis_NephthysGet any cheap USB keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by 416to305
PS4 is no excuse to not be able to type.
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08-05-2015, 07:47 AMGaston
I would "LOL"
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08-05-2015, 08:11 AMWingsOfAzrael
vote kick if they didn't stop after someone explained that they're a dps not a healer
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08-06-2015, 02:58 AMBilleffingmurray
A friend of mine recently started playing (like, two weeks ago). After a lot of thought he picked arcanist as his main, and plans on going with summoner at 30. I've been running low level dungeons with him to show him the ropes. He does this same thing every dungeon. I've explained to him several times what his job is and that healing is not expected of him....ever. Somehow he just isn't getting it. I don't want him to go through the same hell I went through learning my job, but it's starting to seem like he's screwed. Any suggestions on how I might drill it into his head, or should I just leave him to the df wolves?
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08-06-2015, 05:34 PMSeraphyna
Pretty sure that was a broken bot...
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08-06-2015, 06:38 PMEvanoel
LOL I just had this exp when I was doing Lvl DR. There's this ACN kept healing the tank with Physick. I was like "Are you using potions, tank?"
Seriously, I went through the entire Tamtara Deepcroft in Cleric Stance dpsing while he healed the tank lol (Except for the last boss when he finally remembered his role :D ) -
08-06-2015, 10:48 PM416to305I have a keyboard, I'm saying unlike PC players where your hands are already on the keys where you can quickly type out a message while still healing, it's harder on PS4 since you have to basically put the dualshock down to use the keyboard or awkwardly use it with one hand type thing. It's not hard I just mean it's a bit more clunky than PC players with their hands already on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis_Nephthys
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08-06-2015, 11:06 PMdeos
guess i would do this:
"so you want to do the healing? alright, then im gonna dps in your stead"
*after the inevitable wipe*
"still think your heal power can do anything?"
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08-07-2015, 01:10 AMjustinjarjarWell to be fair anything under level 30 (beyond maybe Baukku Manor) can be healed by both cjr and acn maybe even cross classed thm. (and the dps loss is not that much maybe the guy say SCH and thought that he was healer since he can heal the dungeon just fine).Quote:
Originally Posted by Evanoel
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08-07-2015, 02:18 AM416to305That's basically what I did lol. Except didn't rub it in as much since they weren't really replying or anything. Figured they'd get the hint when I stopped healing them and they wiped but nope lol. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by deos