When Astrologian made its first appearance I became in love with it. The animations, the cards, the stars. Now seeing how it's just a WHM/SCH Jr. makes me feel dissapointed. It is just a reskin of White Mage and Scholar with cards thrown in. It's not that I hate the cards, I love them, but I feel that they are underwhelming and not the core of the job. Right now the core of the job are Diurnal/Nocturnal stances. The concept seems good, the execution makes Astro be a WHM/SCH "quiero y no puedo".
In my opinion, those stances don't let Astrologian shine, that's why I want to get rid of them.
How I would got rid of those stances? Making cards the center of our job, manipulating the cards should give us different benefits that, in the end, help our party progress and complete the duty.
Ability Rework:
(I will talk about abilities after lvl 30 because I think those are the ones who need changes)
Level 30:
Draw: Draw a card from your deck and use it in 1 of your allies. (Only 1 Card can be in 1 target, if you use another card on a target that it has a card i will overwrite) Cooldown: 20 seconds.
The Balance: Gives a 2% damage potency to 1 ally. Duration: 100s
The Arrow: Gives a 2% auto attack speed/spell speed/skill speed buff to 1 ally. Duration: 100s
The Bole: Gives a 2% damage reduction buff to 1 ally. Duration: 100s
The Ewer: Gives a 2% MP reduction cost buff to 1 ally. Duration: 100s
The Spire: Gives a 2% TP reduction cost buff to 1 ally. Duration: 100s
The Spear: Gives a 2% healing potency buff to 1 ally. Duration: 100s
Diurnal Aspect
Unleash: Astrologian unleashes the power of the card and burns it in the process. The person who had that card gets a bonus depending on that card. Cooldown: 10 seconds.
The Balance: Increases target's damage dealt by 10%. Duration: 15s
The Arrow: Increases target's auto attack speed/spell speed/skill speed buff by 10%. Duration: 15s
The Bole: Reduces damage taken by 10%. Duration: 15s
The Ewer: Refreshes MP. Potency: 30. Duration: 15s
The Spire: Refreshes TP. Duration: 15s
The Spear: Increases target's healing potency by 10%. Duration: 15s
If we want to make the cards the center of our job we need them to last long, but with the power they give right now it would be absurdly overpowered, that's why they have little effect. With our abilities we should be able to enhance our cards capabilities.
Level 34:
Aspected Benefic
Selene: Astrologian gathers the power of the moons and summons a ball of light. The ball emits a pulse of light that heals all the allies near the ball. The further they are from the ball the less healing they receive. (If there is more than 1 Selenes they will not overlap their healings but there will be more healing area) Duration: 15s. Cooldown: 150s.
Level 35:
Royal Road: Astrologian unleashes the power of the card and burns it in the process.
The person who had that emits an aura depending on that card. Cooldown: 90s.
The Balance: Increases damage dealt by 5%. Duration: 15s
The Arrow: Increases auto attack speed/spell speed/skill speed buff by 5%. Duration: 15s
The Bole: Reduces damage taken by 5%. Duration: 15s
The Ewer: Refreshes MP. Potency: 15. Reduces 10% MP consumption. Duration: 15s
The Spire: Refreshes TP. Reduces 10% TP consumption Duration: 15s
The Spear: Healing Aura Potency: 100. Duration: 15s
With this ability now your allies become aura beacons. Because of our card set up, the randomness is reduced and you can choose which card becomes extended.
Level 38:
Disable (It doesn't affect auto attacks)
It's just a Quality of Life change
Level 40:
Spread
No changes, sometimes you want to save a card that you think it will be useful for later
Level 42:
Aspected Helios
Constelation: Every ally that holds a card releases a ray of light that converge on the Astrologian. Allies that hold a card, Astrologian and allies that are touched by that ray of light are healed. Potency: 400 Cooldown: 90 Seconds. It has MP cost.
It replaces Aspected Helios so it needed to be another heal. Sometimes it might not be useful because allies aren't align. But its just an emergency heal tool for youself and your card holders, because those ones are going to be healed for sure. Creates bonds with your allies (literally)
Level 45:
Shuffle: Cooldown: 40 seconds. The card that went to the deck again can't be drawn.
Sometimes drawing 7 Spires is not what your party needs...
Level 48:
Combust II
The same
Level 50:
Nocturnal Aspect
Quick Draw: You and a targeted ally receive to random cards. Astrologian card lasts 100 seconds. Ally card lasts 80 seconds. It can only be used Outside combat. 100 Second Cooldown. Not affected by Rewind.
Synastry It Is affected by Constellation healing
It's a great ability, and i think our bonds should be tighter, that's why Constellations affects Synastry.
Level 52
Gravity
Unchanged
Level 54
Malefic II
Unchanged
Level 56
Time Dilation
Unchanged (You might want to target Selene)
Level 58
Collective Unconscious Targets 1 ally and burns all your placed cards (Including the cards of not targeted people). All Party members are united by 1 bond with that ally. Depending on the card that the targeted ally had the bonus is different. The further you are from that targeted ally the bonus is less effective. Duration 15 seconds. Cooldown: 300 Seconds. You can't use Draw for 60 Seconds.
The Balance/The Arrow: +10% Damage Potency and +10% Attack Potency
The Bole/The Spear: All the allies get a 250 Potency Shield and 75 Potency regen
The Ewer/The Spire: Refreshes MP and TP. MP and TP consumption reduced to 50%.
Your first big cooldown. Will you use it in a burn phase? Maybe you want to mitigate that big hit you are about to receive. Or the fight is too long and you want some MP TP relieve.
Level 60
Celestial Opposition: Restores all Astrologian Cooldowns. Cooldown: 300 seconds.
Your second cooldown, be creative with this ability, hundreds of opportunities.
Of course everything I said can be tweaked. I feel that with those changes Astrologian won't be a bad copy of White Mage/Scholar and will be the healing job it can be on its own.
Get rid of Astrologian Aspects
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08-03-2015, 03:33 AMAlphaSonicGet rid of Astrologian Aspects
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08-03-2015, 03:38 AMLuvbunny
The stances are fine if they would just make AST be able to actually "function" like SCH or WHM based on the stance. Even if we heal 5% less, or our shield is 5% less effective. Right now, we are neither, and our heal + shield + MP recovery + "oh shyait our DPS are so dumbs - where is my emergency buttons" + MP cost for healing spells + card buffs - ALL of these are not up to par.
Quick fix would be either the following options:
1. Buffing the card buffs, making it less random, thus changing AST to be the healer who can deliver consistent buffs that are quite potent to make up for their lack of healing power (and everything crappy about the jobs).
2. Or bringing AST stance up to par to SCH or WHM. Keeping their random cards, lack of buff potency as it is, since they are just icing on the cake, they are nice to have but don't bet on consistent buffs. At least now AST is a HEALER job on par with the other two based on the stance.
3. Bringing their DPS potency up up up up, to make up for the lack of everything else this job has. -
08-03-2015, 03:40 AMAlphaSonic
But this is the problem I don't want astro to be a WHM/SCH wannabe.
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08-03-2015, 03:43 AMSovereignAegis
I would be okay if they removed them but somehow made a different mechanic to represent the sun and moons related to cards perhaps?
But at present I feel that AST is too similar to WHM and SCH while not offering enough of it's own oomph (and lacking critical cross class skills e4e and virus).
Like Diurnal and urinal stance feel like "White mage mode" and "Scholar mode" instead of something AST related. -
08-03-2015, 03:58 AMLuvbunnyI don't want this either but right now, this job "uniqueness" is not that great. It's good for content between level 30-50 (this job is way too good at those level, very very good). You forgot that SCH has fairy, which brings A LOT to the table and our Nocturnal Sect is totally worthless. SCH Fairy is not 5% healing power lol, and SCH shield is FAR FAR better than AST shield. Our card, which is our "calling card/trump card" is not that great due to the random factor, short duration, and "nerfed" when we try to AOE the effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSonic
I would rather SE focus to fix AST to be THE healer who DELIVERS more substantial and consistent buffs compared to the other two. I would want the BUFFS to be so good, that it makes up for everything else that the job is lacking, since that is the trade off. And right now, this is one healer that is so under powered, it is neither good at everything that the job is supposed to be. -
08-03-2015, 04:03 AMAlphaSonic
Did you read my wall of text? Of course its just a suggestion that can be changed but with that wall of text I attempt to give Astro uniqueness.
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08-03-2015, 04:05 AMDyvid
I don't think they need to remove stances but change them to focus more as an offense or defense type buffing. AST should be at it's core a healer that mitigates damage with buffs and debuffs. We have a basic toolkit for healing but aspected needs work and it shows. Base line it should be HoT heal with nothing up front. Diurnal Sect should provide a defensive buff to the target, Nocturnal Sect should be a offensive buff. When in Diurnal you draw buff cards, Noct debuff cards.
Aspected Diurnal Sect effect - Increase recovery by healing magic by _%
Aspected Nocturnal Sect effect - Increase skill and spell speed by _% -
08-03-2015, 05:34 AMVitalSuit
Reading through this, this just caught my attention immediately because lmfao how overpowered do you want this to be.
100 potency? Are you nuts? That's higher than SoS and luminiferous aether for the same duration.Quote:
Royal Road: Astrologian unleashes the power of the card and burns it in the process.
The person who had that emits an aura depending on that card. Cooldown: 90s.
The Ewer: Refreshes MP. Potency: 100. Reduces 10% MP consumption. Duration: 15s
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08-03-2015, 05:47 AMViviza
I don't understand the purpose of this thread. There isn't going to be a massive job rework based on the opinions of a player.
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08-03-2015, 06:02 AMAlphaSonicOops that was meant to be 15 not 100. But hey lets talk about how a value that was clearly too overtuned and it was clearly a mistake and call it truly overpowered!Quote:
Originally Posted by VitalSuit
Numbers might be a bit tuned up but Overpowered? I removed regens/shield and i changed them for a 60 second cooldown and a 150 second cooldown heal. I think with the changes i propose it would end up healing less. -
08-03-2015, 09:32 AMIndictionThis made me lol XDQuote:
Originally Posted by SovereignAegis
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08-03-2015, 05:10 PMVlady
Sigh and the lets change the astrologian threads keep on rolling. What thread number is this now off rubber same thing? 50? Itleast the Japanese thread on astrologian s keeps it in one thread. People think that more and more wasted topics will pressure se to respond.
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08-03-2015, 05:21 PMYhisa
Vlady I actually given up with the threads lol and just playing on my AST whilst raiding as main healing for raids :3 got SCH and monk/dragoon/warrior in party and I abuse there buff to help with healing and its awsome :D mantra + EoS buff .... Why would I need buffs ....and my scholar is always dpsing the bosses whilst I focus on healing + cards and add DPS on phase switch or long casted attacks ...soo fun to use our bubble on ravana phase swap always full health b4 touching the floor again :D
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08-03-2015, 09:41 PMRickiFake02
What is they made Synastry a toggle, rather than such a short buff, and your bonded party member was healed every time you used a card? That might help make up for our decreased healing a bit. I would also love to be able to play cards in combinations somehow, and have different cards work differently together. A "spread" of Tarot cards is usually more than one and they mean different things in different combinations. Would be neat to see that applied in game somehow.
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08-03-2015, 10:14 PMCynfaelLooks like a case of "damn you, autocorrect!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Indiction
Urinal Stance OP. -
08-03-2015, 10:33 PMGeardagas
I don't particularly agree that our stances are what sets us apart, seeing how nocturnal aspect is total crap and all.
They should add a few more buffs to each stance. Ast needs increased potency in everything. Let diurnal stance increase dps potency and the potency of 3 of the cards, and nocturnal increase healing potency and the potency of the other three (both by 15%, not an almost worthless 5%), while doubling the effect of the sheilds.