Time speculation

Do we know what kind of time span has gone between the end of 2.0 to 3.0?

I believe it was mentioned somewhere that between 2.55 and 3.0 was only a couple weeks but I might be just mis-remembering something.

We know that 5 years have passed from the Calamity (end of 1.0) to 2.0, but what about now?

Edit 8/4/15:
New thoughts! Do fortnight and sennight use in-game use the Earth moonphases or Hydaelyn's? Sennight is a 'week' but Eorzea uses 8 days considering the moon phases and that there are 8 phases of 4 nights/days. Is Fortnight 14 days or is it 16?

It was actually officially answered here back during a 'Letter From the Producer Live' video, and yes, it is indeed only a span of several days to a week or two at most between the ill-fated banquet in Ul'dah and the Warrior of Light being granted entry into Ishgard:

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Q: Story-wise how much time has passed since the end of Patch 2.55 and the beginning of Heavensward?
A: While there is no specific mention of how much time has passed in-game, it’s about a few days to a few weeks after the events that took place during Patch 2.55. You can think of this time as the time that passed while Haurchefant was speaking with the people of House Fortemps, and the expansion begins when the Warrior of Light’s entry to Ishgard has been approved, so it’s not like months have passed.

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So there you have it. There is no specific period of time mentioned that has passed, but it's around a few days to a few weeks.

Thanks!

Is it then unanswered how much time has passed between end of 2.0 to 2.55? Or between the patches (2.1, 2.2, 2.3, etc) ?

I don't think there was an official time. You'd likely have to go back and look at the quests and their respective items to fully gauge the time gap. For instance, one of the quest items in Heavensward, when examined, clearly states that at least a fortnight passed between you being told that the item was going to be made and then you receiving it. I plan on replaying myself here soon, so if I do see how much time has passed, I'll be sure to post here again!

It's a question that the devs would naturally avoid due to how the actual time-span can vary wildly from player to player. Giving specifics will always be immersive for a few and detracting for the majority.

They've made enough effort just so that the player can easily write in their own length of time.

FFXI had actual dates assigned too the turning of moons in real-time. But they failed to foresee how quickly the years shot up. It was so out-of-hand that it wasn't worth looking at. Its expansion, Wings of the Goddess centres around time-travel back to the Crystal War which took place only 20 years before the time when the base FFXI started... which is less than one full real year, probably closer to 9 months. The time you travelled back to would have caught up with the original game several times over. While about 400 years have passed since the games launch. Nobody gave a damn because date isn't a prominent feature but still.

So learning from experience, I think they've simply allowed us to push and pull any part of the games time-span as we please. Yoshi-P may have said the wait at the end of 2.55 to 3.0 could have been weeks, but for some it was maybe an hour out of their day so that Haurchefant could go send word and give us the green light.

Yeah, unfortunately, 2.0 to 2.55 is in a simpsons time bubble. I had thought they mentioned the passage of time once the scions we're moving to revenants toll but I had remembered it wrong (apologizes to moose for taking so long to get back on this) it makes me want to beat my head against my desk. Even more so when they use odd wording like , "some 15 years ago."

I think by the start of Heavensward its probably a year or so after the start of ARR. But that's just an estimate, lol.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Yeah, unfortunately, 2.0 to 2.55 is in a simpsons time bubble.

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Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

I think by the start of Heavensward its probably a year or so after the start of ARR. But that's just an estimate, lol.

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Ehhh, I'd say we're still in that year-ish time bubble. It was said that the length of time between 2.55 and 3.0 was a few days to a week, true, but it was also said that our previous time bubble has expanded to encompass 3.0 as well.

Again, it's one of those things you can't think too hard about. Create your own timeline, 'cause you could be waiting a very long time for an official one.

For me, each story line has added little more than a week to my initial 1-50 leveling and the original MSQ, with slightly less in between. So, by that logic my character has blindly wielded the Echo in a reborn realm for...7, 8 months roughly? Maybe another 2 or so if I were to include my time in the 6th Astral Era.

My assumption about the time bubbles were that each #.X series was its own time bubble. I could be very wrong but I feel like with a story-driven game such as FFXIV, that would have been the direction. From the start of 2.0 - 2.55, X amount of time had passed. A few days to a few weeks later, 3.0 comes. Everyone in Heavensward is in a new time bubble.

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My assumption about the time bubbles were that each #.X series was its own time bubble. I could be very wrong but I feel like with a story-driven game such as FFXIV, that would have been the direction. From the start of 2.0 - 2.55, X amount of time had passed. A few days to a few weeks later, 3.0 comes. Everyone in Heavensward is in a new time bubble.

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Since I like this theory lets take it back to 2.0's beginning. We start at the 5th anniversary of The Battle of Carteneau Flats, my guess is from then to around Praetorium is around two weeks-ish (No way in hell Operation Archon was planed an executed in a matter of hours), Then with that being the longest the other patches are things that could have all been accomplished in two days at most. so Times 5 that's 10 days.

So by my estimate were about 24-30 days in, or an ingame month give or take, and then it takes about (Maybe) a week to get word back from Ishgard putting us in around the 2nd month of our adventure approaching the third by the time Heavensward ends.

Well, several places in Heavensward MSQ time is mentioned specifically. At least once it is stated it takes 'a fortnight' to get things together. If I had time, I'd go through all the MSQ dialogue and see for sure.

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Well, several places in Heavensward MSQ time is mentioned specifically. At least once it is stated it takes 'a fortnight' to get things together. If I had time, I'd go through all the MSQ dialogue and see for sure.

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Since a fort night is 14 days any time it says that add two weeks to the tally.

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Since a fort night is 14 days any time it says that add two weeks to the tally.

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I thought it was 15 days, actually.... half a month. It's referring to lunar phases, IRL, if I recall.

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I thought it was 15 days, actually.... half a month. It's referring to lunar phases, IRL, if I recall.

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Shrug/ Could be. Last I looked it up it was 14 but alot of times it depends on the sorce. I think a lunar phase is like 28. xxx days when you don't round thr numbers. So 14ish give or take a few decimals. Probably 15 after it's rounded.

I can't help with finding all the fortnight messages but google says that a fortnight is 14 days

New thoughts! Do fortnight and sennight use in-game use the Earth moonphases or Hydaelyn's? Sennight is a 'week' but Eorzea uses 8 days considering the moon phases and that there are 8 phases of 4 nights/days. Is Fortnight 14 days or is it 16?

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Originally Posted by ExKage

Do fortnight and sennight use in-game use the Earth moonphases or Hydaelyn's??

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It would use Hydaelyn's. There are a few times that a fortnight has been mentioned as the amount of time needed to do something, so at the very least, you've been adventuring for several months now.

My head-canon is that every major fight/dungeon eats at least a full day, or perhaps even 2-3 if it's an incredibly long one. I personally don't think we went through the entire Aetherochemical Research Facility in any short amount of time. And there are many times where Minfillia or others suggest you "take a break" after defeating a primal and the like, so you're likely down a day or two afterwards.

None of the NPCs have mentioned anything such as, "It's been a year since you joined The Scions, hasn't it?", so I'm just shooting for 6-9 months.

Back in 1.0, it was said that it was 1572 for 1.0
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post898626
1.0 was perpetually 1572.
5 years later were are at 2.0

Do you think the recent event with this dialogue confirms we're still in the time bubble from 2.0 as treuhavik said?
In the Moonfaire event, even though we had this same event last year, "Ever since the Bombards were beat back five years ago..." (Which i've been told is 1.0 event)

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Originally Posted by ExKage

we're still in the time bubble from 2.0 as treuhavik said?

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Originally Posted by Lorecast 6: E3 2015

Michael-Christopher Koji Fox: It’s still a bubble; you have to have a bubble. There are players joining in Heavensward that are starting at the beginning. The bubble’s just gotten bigger.

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http://gamerescape.com/2015/06/18/lo...h-fernehalwes/

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Originally Posted by ExKage

In the Moonfaire event, even though we had this same event last year, "Ever since the Bombards were beat back five years ago..." (Which i've been told is 1.0 event)

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I was thinking that same thought... I started playing with 2.0's closed beta, two years ago, which means that the first Moonfire Faire I took part in was the first of ARR. And I distinctly remember fighting bombards. So it's been five years in game since that event two years ago?

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I was thinking that same thought... I started playing with 2.0's closed beta, two years ago, which means that the first Moonfire Faire I took part in was the first of ARR. And I distinctly remember fighting bombards. So it's been five years in game since that event two years ago?

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That's been my wonder about that event. We definitely fought bombards and the Bomb King, so was that event 5 years ago in game time, or not?

It's hard to say. I remember them both referencing 1.x and 2.x Faires. So...im not even touching it. Think Hatching Tide has a similar issue with time, and wonder how the Rising (in what, 3-4 weeks) is going to handle time.

I don't think seasonal events are part of the cannon anyway (Godbert Santa, and how many remember the Heavensturn of the Horse?)

It's not much, but I distinctly remember some NPC's dialogue--perhaps Haurchefant--in the Sea of Clouds state, after saving Emmanellain, that it had been a week since they last saw us in Ishgard (or something close to it), and we go there and from quite a few times in the Main Scenario.

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how many remember the Heavensturn of the Horse?

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I remember Haurchefant being a creeper and wanting to pet my flanks.

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Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

I think by the start of Heavensward its probably a year or so after the start of ARR. But that's just an estimate, lol.

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I think we can safely assume it hasn't quite been that long, because by a specific scene at the end of 3.5 we get a rough estimate of the entire story's span so far. If anyone can tell me how to tag spoilers I will elaborate.

Use the HB tags.

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Also, officially we're still in The Time Bubble. Time doesn't pass in anything like real time simply because it'd mess with the narrative badly and events wouldn't unfold naturally.

While a little time has obviously passed since 2.0, they're still trying to avoid as many obvious references as possible, AFAIK.

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Use the HB tags.

Like so!

Also, officially we're still in The Time Bubble. Time doesn't pass in anything like real time simply because it'd mess with the narrative badly and events wouldn't unfold naturally.

While a little time has obviously passed since 2.0, they're still trying to avoid as many obvious references as possible, AFAIK.

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So here is why we have a rough estimate of time in the game.

Logically speaking we can only assume that Yda died before 1.0. So when the whole Lyse is Yda thing was revealed Lyse said that Yda died 6 years ago. Given that we know 5 years passed between 1.0 and 2.0 we know that the remaining content couldn't have been over more than a year in time length otherwise it would have happened in the timeline of the game and would have actually caused a bigger plot hole of why it's not discussed.

Well,

a Gridanian 1.0 player would still have met the real Yda technically, given that the 1.0 Gridanian storyline, like all the 1.0 starting city stories, were mostly in the Echo - the player didn't realize it at the time but the events that surrounded them weren't actually happening to them, they were actually experiencing events that happened 10 years previously (how the Echo was depicted was different to ARR - it was virtually indistinguishable from 'real life', and those experiencing an Echo vision could actually interact with others within it, it was virtually a waking dream, unlike the grainy, sepia toned, washed out, non-interactive video feed that the Echo is depicted as in ARR), meaning Yda most definitely was still alive at the time those scenes actually occurred, at least in those scenes (the 1.0 starting city stories showed the Archon for that area first arriving in Eorzea under Louisoix's directive).

Ironically the player later meets up with the Archons at the end of the completed 1.0 'Path of the Twelve' story which was the then 'present day' where they save them from being possibly killed by Gaius, so it's highly likely 'Yda''s appearance then was actually Lyse in disguise, but whether SE actually had that planned at that stage is unclear (Yda's mannerisms, and Papalymo's too, for that matter, were rather.... odd... almost to the point of the uncanny valley... so... maybe it was Lyse even then.). Meaning Yda's death would have still been rather recent.

Either way, it's rather depressing to look back and think that only 1.0 Gridanian players ever actually got the chance to see the

real Yda and not her little-sister-wearing-her-shoes,

even if was only through the Echo. :(

Post level 57 dungeon spoilers

So, in the Doman Enclave, they mention its been a year since Doma was destroyed by the Garleans, given that this happened after 2.0, around the same time as Gaius' death, does this mean we're out of the bubble?

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Post level 57 dungeon spoilers

So, in the Doman Enclave, they mention its been a year since Doma was destroyed by the Garleans, given that this happened after 2.0, around the same time as Gaius' death, does this mean we're out of the bubble?

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See the other thread. This is contradicted by things said by other NPCs throughout the expansion, whose time references would seem to place us within the same year as ARR still.

(I stand by my explanation: it hasn't LITERALLY been a year, just near enough to one that people who aren't obsessively tracking it with a calendar feel comfortable using the word. Something like 9-10 months, which is more than enough time for the events that have occurred to have happened within).