Doubts tearing me apart! MCH or BRD

Greetings and thank you for opening this post :D
Before I go to my issue this is by no means one of those usual whining threads and I'm absolutely in love with these both classes.

So... me and some of my irl buddies started played this game game few weeks ago once again and we plan to raid asap. I am rolling either MCH or BRD to our raid group and I have now reached lv52 with both of these classes to see the actual mechanics.

But here's where the problems began. Both feel fine to me with this lv52 skill to me and I cannot absolutely decide which one I should play. I keep constatly bouncing between them and cannot absolutely set my mind into another

So dear community and ppl who have raided this expansion what do you think?
Would you rather take BRD or MCH to your group?
Is dps pretty much the same between these two? If not which you think would pulls ahead.
I haven't looked into current raid mechanics yet but which one would be more forgiving in this raid content?

They're both pretty close together as far as output is concerned. As someone that's mained bard in 2.0 and now maining MCH, MCH definitely feels more "complete" of the two as far as gameplay is concerned. If you didn't main bard before, you probably won't notice the hiccups in their gameplay as much as I do.

While I have LITTLE experience in those classes, I can say I really enjoyed leveling my Archer to 15 to become a BLM. While I only got the Archer to level 20, I really enjoyed the class and have been contemplating becoming a Bard. So my advice, go Bard!

Thank you for fast replies. Didn't expect anything to happen this fast :O

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MCH definitely feels more "complete"

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I think I understand and know what you mean with this and it is one of reasons I hop back to mch after playing bard for a while. "Forced insta" casts are nice compared to full turret mode and whole gcd flow somehow feel better suited for ogcd stuff but thts just me.

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go Bard!

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50% it will happen :3

Rice pretty much said all that I would say.

Try them both, train hard, and you will only gain added utility to your friends/parties and personal skill.

I don't believe in luck, so I wish you success and perseverence instead :)

If you want to maximize raid output which job you pick should also depend on your PT setup. Having a caster heavy setup should lean towards bard, while a melee heavy would more be much more suited for MCH.

Got no clue of anything about mcn, but I do know bards have an edge in a1 and a2 due to multi doting. Combine this with the fact that the best dps in these encounters is smn....and bard starts to look mighty fine for that foe requiem too. "caster heavy setup" is almost irrelevant with smns pulling 2k+ in a2. Foe is stronk enough to be used with 1 good caster in the raid.

ofc that's only half the endgame raids, mcn could trumb brd in a3+4 who knows.

All biased af ofc^

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melee heavy would more be much more suited for MCH.

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Right now our group only have SMNas magic based dps.

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bards have an edge in a1 and a2 due to multi doting

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Gotta check out the vids/read encounter info but yea I could see bard definetly rolling ahead if theres say 2 or 3 target with semi-high uptime.

MCH also starts off at level 30, keep that in mind, Bard will require allot more prep work. I'm a bard and while I can say the class is fun to play before level 50, once you unlock WM the entire playstyle changes, with is a huge controversy with the bard community right now, all I can say is don't get comfortable with the playstyle of Bard before level 50 if you decide to go that route, though MCH is sorta in a similiar situation.

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once you unlock WM the entire playstyle changes

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Yea briefly mentioned I got both classes at 52 already

rush both jobs to 60 , if both are at 52 thats 2 days of hardcore fate spam :P

Hello

I'm playing both currently- I have cleared Alexander Savage A1 and A2 with my static and this question was really easy for me since there are 2 Mages in my party (BLM and SMN). However, A1 is really really BRD friendly, It's fine for MCH too, but during A1 is a bit hard to find a perfect spot for Wildifre, but for BRD is really easy to use CDs when are ready.

BRD has a bit less mobility than MCH, but MCH is a bit RNG roulette.

I'm using the Gobwalker during A2 encounter, then when I'm not using Gobwalker I used to sing TP/MP or Foe + Battle Voice during last wave.

I have seen a lot of A3 streams, and there are groups with MCH and groups with BRD. Elysium got Wolrd First on A3 with BRD. That fact means nothing, I mean, I'm sure that MCH could be part of this kill.

Finally, my advice for You is:
If You have 2 mages in your party, You should play like BRD, If not, You can play either.

Pick the one you like the ... lore of more.

Do you want to be a gunslinger with mechanical gizmos? Or do you want to be an archer plus medieval rock star.

Honestly, just pick one based on thematics/aesthetics. From what I understand the two classes are extremely similar, in fact most of their abilities are literal copies of each other with different names.

don't forget foe value rises quite a bit when you add healer dps into consideration too.

Gauss Barrel's little dohicky messes up how guns look. Foe Requiem does not. Therefore bard.

Thank you for answers. Right now I'm leaning lil more towards mch just because of our raid comp.
As things are it will be drg,mnk,smn but I need confirmication ppl are gonna play those classes then. Thing is mnk ain't 100% sure if he wants to play mnk or blm which would affect my choice greatly :S

Hypercharge vs requiem is also something I gotta try value/check uptimes/pros 'd cons/look into

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Gauss Barrel's little dohicky messes up how guns look

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This is one thing I feared b4 lv52 but it turned out to make my gun look even better. Using tht glowing titan gun as glamour and barrel fits perfectly into it.... golden :3

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Got no clue of anything about mcn, but I do know bards have an edge in a1 and a2 due to multi doting. Combine this with the fact that the best dps in these encounters is smn....

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MCH can multidot too :/ Also, how is SMN the best DPS for A1S?

Anyone have a BRD parse of A1S? I can post a MCH parse but I can't really find many parses up.

http://i.imgur.com/gbpUgLg.png

If you were to account 10% of my DPS to the DRG they would be at 1128.

I did 880+ as BRD last night on our first A1S clear. And that included a death and alot of dots dropping because both opressors thought its nice to aim their lasers towards me while im casting ironjaws. Think its feasible to aim for 1000+ with better uptime on the dots and less ballad.

What was your group DPS? Looks like our encounter lasted for 8:24, and basing on that we should be quite a bit behind (i blame our BLM for pulling less than 800 :D). Ours was 5.9k.

Edit: spamming from work with my new phone and I have no clue how to copy pasta our parse from Discord.

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Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula

What was your group DPS? Looks like our encounter lasted for 8:24, and basing on that we should be quite a bit behind (i blame our BLM for pulling less than 800 :D). Ours was 5.9k. .

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5286 was our party DPS with our SMN getting damage down at some point due to being too close to a missile. I had to use promotion during some of the uptime due to our healer MP getting low.